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#1 mewtwo

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 05:39 PM

I was told that if I do my taichi routine at least once a day everyday I will begain to feel chi and if I continue to do this I will be able to control it. Is this true? Cause I believe I already can feel the chi and can control it alittle.

Then I went to a Dr. sheehan to learn bagua and xingyi. He said I was doing my form wrong. Will I still feel the chi and be able to control it if I am not doing it correctly?

The reason I think I can control chi is cause it can do this.


The way chi feels to my is a warm sensation in my palms.

Here is Dr. Sheehan website.
http://www.cwarnis.com/

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Edited by mewtwo, 15 August 2008 - 05:41 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 09:04 PM

I was told that if I do my taichi routine at least once a day everyday I will begain to feel chi and if I continue to do this I will be able to control it. Is this true? Cause I believe I already can feel the chi and can control it alittle.


The problem is that you are trying to drive a car sitting backwards. You can do all the tai chi, qi gong, meditation, in the world BUT if your orientation is wrong, you'll just crash.

You cannot control chi. You guide it. This is a huge perceptual issue. It may not sound big... BUT just go and TRY to make a flower grow. You will kill it. Instead, you water and prune it. Same with chi. Chi is not a thing... chi is a current / flow. If you treat it like a thing you can control, then as quantum physics explains, it becomes a dense particle. If you train and cultivate (gong) chi (qi). This it will flow through you smoothly. A.S. is precisely caused by unsteady blocked chi flow.

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 06:18 AM

I was told that if I do my taichi routine at least once a day everyday I will begain to feel chi and if I continue to do this I will be able to control it. Is this true? Cause I believe I already can feel the chi and can control it alittle.

Then I went to a Dr. sheehan to learn bagua and xingyi. He said I was doing my form wrong. Will I still feel the chi and be able to control it if I am not doing it correctly?

The reason I think I can control chi is cause it can do this.


The way chi feels to my is a warm sensation in my palms.

Here is Dr. Sheehan website.
http://www.cwarnis.com/

I feel that I would like to share with you guys that I have aspergers syndrome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergers



I can guarantee that not a single person on this discussion group is doing their taijiquan form "right". :D
No matter how often you do it, it is constantly changing and you should be learning more and more.

People often get funny feeling in their hands and other parts of their body when they start doing taijiquan. IMHO, a better indication of how you are doing is whether or not your tailbone has unfused and the cartilage in your chest has decalcified. When the former happens you usually hear a loud crack and you can feel it breaking free. With the latter, your chest goes through about a month or so of sounding like you are breaking a bundle of dry sticks over your knee every time you flex it.

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 07:07 AM

How to manipulate qi is a good question to put to the universe.

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 07:13 AM

I can only feel chi strongly, and work with it after achieving a deep trance, this usually requires 3-4 hours of work to achieve.

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Edited by mwight, 16 August 2008 - 07:18 AM.

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 08:37 AM

Hi Ian, of the Dao :)

May i ask what you mean with "direction"? Do you mean east, west, north, south, and the coordinates inbetween and etc, or do you mean something else?

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The problem is that you are trying to drive a car sitting backwards. You can do all the tai chi, qi gong, meditation, in the world BUT if your orientation is wrong, you'll just crash.


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Posted 16 August 2008 - 01:41 PM

I was told that if I do my taichi routine at least once a day everyday I will begain to feel chi and if I continue to do this I will be able to control it. Is this true? Cause I believe I already can feel the chi and can control it alittle.

Then I went to a Dr. sheehan to learn bagua and xingyi. He said I was doing my form wrong. Will I still feel the chi and be able to control it if I am not doing it correctly?

The reason I think I can control chi is cause it can do this.


The way chi feels to my is a warm sensation in my palms.

I feel that I would like to share with you guys that I have aspergers syndrome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergers



i'm glad you shared that last part. just in case it was something you were worried about, i have a friend who's an 'aspy' as she would put it. she's not exactly a student of mine because she lives in the UK and we almost NEVER see each other, but she definitely has the capacity for it. in fact, i would say that her ability to focus is so acute that it almost scares me what she might be able to achieve in the internal arts. ;) she's a brilliant artist/illustrator.

if you can do that chopstick thing, AND you're still unsure about whether you're actually feeling or directing qi, *I* think you just proved that what the guy is doing with the chopsticks in the video really doesn't have to have anything to do with qi! :lol:

if you're doing some of your forms badly, then enjoy doing them badly. it's important that you enjoy yourself and not be in a rush. you might be surprised at what you can achieve when you do things the 'wrong' way. ;) just keep learning and relax into your process. you're gonna have a tough time building qi in your body if you're worried or tense or stressed about your technique all the time.

so YES, you can still build qi by doing your forms poorly. people who take up tai chi because of health problems aren't known for having great technique, but they are still getting some benefit of the practice. so you might not be a very good martial artist with it, but certainly you can open up your energy gates and get the qi flowing.

try not to attach to any dogma that says 'you HAVE TO do it this way'. if you're relaxed, breathing deep & slow, stretching & loosening the limbs on a regular basis, moving around through different forms, and keeping your attention on your movements and how you feel, you will eventually get some energy flowing.

here's a clip of grandmaster wong of shaolin wahnam. just look at him and listen to his voice. he's so relaxed, filled with peace and joy. compare his energy to the erratic, agitated energy of the host. :) that host is losing energy with every breath. his tenseness is like an energetic bloodletting.

it really is important to relax and have fun. try not to take your movements so seriously.

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 12:45 AM

Talk about manipulating chi!

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 06:36 AM

Yea...I can do that. :blink: :P

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 08:31 AM

Yea...I can do that. :blink: :P



It was so funny i had to post!
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Posted 17 August 2008 - 01:34 PM

Hi,

It takes about 10 years of practicing a tai chi form to begin to understand it. If you practice standing meditation, about 100 hours of standing to get the basics developed. The best way to learn is not to worry about if you are cultivating anything, but to relax and enjoy it. Practicing tai chi is a form of qigong and you will naturally cultivate your chi. It's also best to have a teacher who will correct your form and help you to make adjustments. Dr. Sheehan teaches mostly Arnis, which comes from the Phillipines and is a kick ass martial art.

The chopstick skill has nothing to do with chi.

Feeling your hands warm up has been considered a way to detect chi flow in the beginning. It really has more to do with the friction of blood flow... There are no shortcuts to learning this, you have to develop at one incremental step at a time. Yes, there are specific techniques used to manipulate chi once you have made the proper connections and cultivation, but if I told you them, they would kill me.

Edited by guangping, 17 August 2008 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2009 - 05:23 AM

I was told that if I do my taichi routine at least once a day everyday I will begain to feel chi and if I continue to do this I will be able to control it. Is this true? Cause I believe I already can feel the chi and can control it alittle.
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The way chi feels to my is a warm sensation in my palms.


You don't "control" qi, qi is the life force that animates YOU.
My suggestion is to just practice and don't worry about it. Everyone has a different level of sensation of qi. It runs from the spectrum of "can't feel a thing" to being knocked over by it.

You may find that martial art understanding of qi and the medical qigong understanding of qi differ quite a bit.
So, if you really want to fully understand qi, keep practicing your tai chi and Hsing I AND add an internal qigong cultivation method.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 05:56 AM

I was told that if I do my taichi routine at least once a day everyday I will begain to feel chi and if I continue to do this I will be able to control it. Is this true? Cause I believe I already can feel the chi and can control it alittle.

It is certainly possible to feel and control the awareness of Qi using the intention, Yi. This is the foundation training of Daoist meditation methods.
It is also possible to fool yourself about this. If you're serious, I'd suggest that you seek out someone with experience in teaching Daoist meditation.

Edited by xuesheng, 05 June 2009 - 05:57 AM.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 02:23 PM

Intent, relaxation, and practice. I can sometimes feel the fieldaround my body when I'm relaxed in meditation. It moves with my breath. :)
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Posted 05 June 2009 - 02:39 PM

Energy follows thought. You can direct energy with your mind.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 02:53 PM

Energy follows thought. You can direct energy with your mind.

And it will always be limited to the linear time-oriented thought process if done in this manner. Some forms of qigong do not use this method.




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