Strange feeling/experience.

[Songtsan]

Yeah, I don't think you should be concerned either. Just watch without judging or being attached. It seems entirely related to Kundalini and therefore likely isn't due to mental illness per se.

[C T]

Yeah, I don't think you should be concerned either. Just watch without judging or being attached. It seems entirely related to Kundalini and therefore likely isn't due to mental illness per se.

I dont think its accurate to offer the assertion that its entirely related to Kundalini. You have a tendency to say this all the time, Songtsan, sorry, but i dont find this helpful, on the contrary, it tends to limit things quite a bit.

 

There are many practitioners i know who go thru various stages of transformation, each one more acute and refined than the last (usually) without having to attach any names to that process, or to defer to any particular cause because they tend not to allow any fixations to tie them down. Things come and things go, experiences the same... we only need to remain mindful so as not to get carried away with imaginings. Simply observe the process with some clarity and calmness - this alone takes away a lot of the labels which only serve to anchor the practitioner into further delusion.

[Songtsan]

There is some good points there CT, but it is just so similar to what I experienced. Yes, I blame a lot of things on Kundalini, which I view as an external intelligence to my own.....

 

 

here is an example: One time the kundalini was playing around and making my forearm and hand feel extremely large, and then extremely small (like my wrist was the size of a string). I said to it, "That's cool, do something else!" and so it turned my somatosensory perception of my hand (likely corresponding to the appropriate area of the sensory motor cortex) into that of a mallet - so my arm now feels like a hammer. I did no visualization, it just created that sensaton.

 

I don't feel that labeling something as Kundalini narrows the possibilities, as Kundalini is pretty mysterious and I honestly don't feel anyone really knows what it is.

 

On the other hand, I generally agree that one should not 'think one knows,' or try to label things or ascribe meaning at all.

 

However, I have done enough research of others experience that I have seen patterns emerge in people's personal stories.

 

The OPs description certainly does seem classic, as far as seductive entities, somatosensory-perceptive alterations, dissociation, etc.

 

But I usually try to insert a disclaimer, indicating that I think it could be related...

 

To me, Kundalini, Qigong Illness, makyos, spirit guides, interdimensional beings, possession, etc. are all interrelated....the explanation is not really out there yet for all these things - too many people projecting delusional stories onto the events - I use 'Kundalini' as a catch-all term....but that's just me...

Edited January 29, 2015 by Songtsan

[Nungali]

My first thought on this was dissociation. I have had it ... its a bastard when driving ! ... also, its opposite; an ecstatic feeling of being aware of everything and intimately connected to everything (after a near death experience )

[Nungali]

yes Yes and  YES! 

[ChiForce]

This is what I have to say about the Kundalini energy experience. They belong to the realm of senses and Samsara. Sorry. If anything, the blissfulness one experiences with the energy belongs to the first jhana, or the first stage of Samadhi. Your mind becomes ecstatic about your sense of wholeness and that yang chi feeling burning through your body. By the fourth jhana, even the flow of chi in your body would stop. Your mind would no longer pay attention to it. So, don't get fixated on the kundalini energy because the blissful experience is supposedly to be temporary.

 

For LifeForce, move on. Don't get fixated on these female deities. I saw Kali too (black skin with a wicked red tongue and multiple arms) and I and her were apparently having sex---like she was on top of Shiva. Hehehehe.... I wasn't fixated on her but I spent few weeks trying to understand her on the spiritual and conceptual levels. I believe I saw Tara too (female deity with multiple arms with a pair of scissors) but I associated her on the spiritual and wisdom levels. Apparently, she used a scissor to cut open a blanket which was over my head and to predict tragedies about to fall on humanity in 2014. I was crying in the dream because she was forcing me to see the world. 2014 was a tragic year for the world.

 

Of course, did the Kundalini energy rise up naturally or were you using drugs at that time. This is important because a naturally occurring kundalini energy experience would indicate merit in your wisdom and mental thoughts. If induced by drugs, once the experience is gone and it will, your mind has nothing to fall back on.

Edited January 30, 2015 by ChiForce

[lifeforce]

This is what I have to say about the Kundalini energy experience. They belong to the realm of senses and Samsara. Sorry. If anything, the blissfulness one experiences with the energy belongs to the first jhana, or the first stage of Samadhi. Your mind becomes ecstatic about your sense of wholeness and that yang chi feeling burning through your body. By the fourth jhana, even the flow of chi in your body would stop. Your mind would no longer pay attention to it. So, don't get fixated on the kundalini energy because the blissful experience is supposedly to be temporary.

 

For LifeForce, move on. Don't get fixated on these female deities. I saw Kali too (black skin with a wicked red tongue and multiple arms) and I and her were apparently having sex---like she was on top of Shiva. Hehehehe.... I wasn't fixated on her but I spent few weeks trying to understand her on the spiritual and conceptual levels. I believe I saw Tara too (female deity with multiple arms with a pair of scissors) but I associated her on the spiritual and wisdom levels. Apparently, she used a scissor to cut open a blanket which was over my head and to predict tragedies about to fall on humanity in 2014. I was crying in the dream because she was forcing me to see the world. 2014 was a tragic year for the world.

 

Of course, did the Kundalini energy rise up naturally or were you using drugs at that time. This is important because a naturally occurring kundalini energy experience would indicate merit in your wisdom and mental thoughts. If induced by drugs, once the experience is gone and it will, your mind has nothing to fall back on.

Hi ChiForce. Thanks for your input.

The state was initially brought on over 4 years ago via shaktipat. No drugs.

As far as the flow of qi stopping. One would be dead if this happened. Qi is the life force of the cosmos, and every living thing requires it.

Edited January 30, 2015 by lifeforce

[lifeforce]

To me, Kundalini, Qigong Illness, makyos, spirit guides, interdimensional beings, possession, etc. are all interrelated...

Yes !

[ChiForce]

Hi ChiForce. Thanks for your input.

The state was initially brought on over 4 years ago via shaktipat. No drugs.

As far as the flow of qi stopping. One would be dead if this happened. Qi is the life force of the cosmos, and every living thing requires it.

This isn't a debate. This is what will happen once you are liberated, living in the complete emptiness of the mind, the true nature of the mind!!!! That's why the Kundalini bliss is an illusion. Is only temporary. If you can't grasp it, you won't go forward.

[lifeforce]

 

This isn't a debate. This is what will happen once you are liberated, living in the complete emptiness of the mind, the true nature of the mind!!!! That's why the Kundalini bliss is an illusion. Is only temporary. If you can't grasp it, you won't go forward.

Sorry but this is a public forum where debates, conversations, and exchanges of opinion take place. Your way is not the only way and I can assure you, my kundalini experience is far from illusory.

Edited January 30, 2015 by lifeforce

[ChiForce]

Sorry but this is a public forum where debates, conversations, and exchanges of opinion take place. Your way is not the only way and I can assure you, my kundalini experience is far from illusory.

Hmmm....interesting. Good luck....

[forestofemptiness]

I don't think it's a strange experience at all. I've had similar experiences, and others have too. My young son told me some time ago he was playing with his friends when suddenly he felt like he was watching a movie. He was still playing, but he was just watching it all happen.

 

The mind takes many postures. What I have found most helpful for me is to see what is similar between postures, rather than try to cultivate a particular posture.

[Songtsan]

This isn't a debate. This is what will happen once you are liberated, living in the complete emptiness of the mind, the true nature of the mind!!!! That's why the Kundalini bliss is an illusion. Is only temporary. If you can't grasp it, you won't go forward.

 

I never said that Kundalini experiences were all blissful - to the contrary, they are a mixed bag and not necesarily to be desired at all....

 

The only knowledge that is useful knowledge is knowledge that can be put to use. There isn't much knowledge out there that seems useful regarding Kundalini, so for me it only serves as a category that certain spiritual seekers (or not as the case may be) may fall into having something to do with, an area of correlation to a certain set of symptomology.

[Songtsan]

I don't think it's a strange experience at all. I've had similar experiences, and others have too. My young son told me some time ago he was playing with his friends when suddenly he felt like he was watching a movie. He was still playing, but he was just watching it all happen.

 

The mind takes many postures. What I have found most helpful for me is to see what is similar between postures, rather than try to cultivate a particular posture.

 

Yeah, I used to have disassociation/depersonalization experiences all the time when I was young (as young as 6), and I wasn't doing any drugs, meditating, reading any weird occult books, or even philsophizing much at the time....I have conjectured that it had to do with some type of entity attaching itself to my 'energy body' and somehow interrupting the flow of the signals incoming into perception as it latched onto said signals and created a sort of extension or bridge whereby it was able to receive the energy of the signal and experience it for itself, while sending a modified or weaker version of the signal onwards for its final perception by me.