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Sayings of Meister Eckhart declared as heresy by the Vatican

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Seeing as the Vatican banned these sayings and as it was the period of the inquisition there was a real danger in saying them I suspect they are probably important with regards to the truth:
1 . On being asked why God did not create the world earlier, he
answered then as now that God could not have created the world
earlier because nothing can operate before it is. Therefore, as
soon as God was, He created the world.
2. Likewise, it may be admitted that the world has existed from all
eternity.
3 . Likewise: At once, and as soon as God was, when He begot His
coeternal Son as God fully equal to Himself, He also created
the world.
4. Likewise: In every act, even evil, in the evil of punishment just
as much as in the evil of guilt, God's glory is equally revealed
and shines forth.
5. Likewise: Whoever reviles anyone with abuse, he praises God
through this very abuse, and the more he abuses and the worse
he sins, the more he praises God.
6. Likewise: Even he who blasphemes against God praises God.
7. Likewise: Whoever prays for this or that, prays for something
evil and in evil wise, for he prays for the denial of good and the
denial of God, and he prays for God to deny Himself to him.
8. Those who seek nothing, neither honor nor profit nor inwardness
nor holiness nor reward nor heaven, but who have
renounced all this, including what is their own - in such men
God is glorified.
9. I recently wondered whether I should accept or desire anything
from God. I will consider this very carefully, because if I received
anything from God I would be beneath Him or below Him like
a servant or slave, but He in giving would be like a master and
it should not be thus with us in eternal life.
10 . We are fully transformed and converted into God; in the same
way as in the sacrament the bread is converted into the body of
Christ, so I am converted into Him, so that He converts me into
His being as one, not as like. By the living God it is true that
there is no difference.
11 . All that God the Father gave His only-begotten Son in human
nature He has given me: I except nothing, neither union nor
holiness; He has given me everything as to him.
12. Everything that Holy Scripture says of Christ is entirely true of
every good and holy man.
13 . All that is proper to the divine nature is also proper to the just
and godly man; therefore such a man performs everything that
God performs, and he has created heaven and earth together
with God, and he is a begetter of the eternal Word, and God
could do nothing without such a man.
14. The good man should so conform his will to the divine will that
he wills everything that God wills. And since God in a certain
sense wills that I should have sinned, I should not wish to have
committed no sins. And that is true penitence.
15 . If a man had committed a thousand mortal sins, and if that
man were in a proper state, he should not wish not to have
committed them.
16. There is something in the soul that is uncreated and uncreatable.
If the whole soul were of such a nature she would be uncreated
and uncreatable. This is the intellect.
17. God is neither good nor better nor best. When I call God good
I speak as falsely as if I were to call white black.

 

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Here's a bit of his "oral transmissions" -- from sermons he gave in Strasbourg which some people transcribed. He sounds very Zen.

I pray to God to rid me of God.

God is within, we are without.

The eye through which I see God and the eye through which God sees me is the same eye.

He is He because He is not He. This cannot be understood by the outer man, only the inner man.

Find the one desire behind all desires.

God is at home. It is we who have gone out for a walk.

Through nothing I become what I am.

Only the hand that erases can write the true thing.

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Yeah lets not forget the inquisition.... who is evil again? Non-believers, or Sadistic torturers..a.k.a "The entire Catholic church"...who continue to employ child molesters and known criminals in the name of "forgiveness". So dumb.

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Yeah lets not forget the inquisition.... who is evil again? Non-believers, or Sadistic torturers..a.k.a "The entire Catholic church"...who continue to employ child molesters and known criminals in the name of "forgiveness". So dumb.

Um this thread is about Meister Echart, not about your problems with the church.

 

Can you please stop trolling every 'christian' thread here in the Hermetic section with all your "christians are stupid blah blah..." we have heard it all before and you are not even particularly good at saying it.

 

This is the Hermetic and Occult subforum. The people here are not mainstream christians, do not support the inquisition, do not support pedophile priests, but wish to discuss the various branches that grew from Hermetic thought. Christian Mysticism is one of them.

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Seth, in this case the sentiment is perhaps brought about by the fact that Meister Eckhart was accused of heresy and died while on trial for his life.

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"When we say 'Thy kingdom come, thy will be done', we are praying to God to deprive us of ourselves"

 

"You must give up yourself, altogether give up self, and then you have really given up."

 

-Meister Eckhart

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