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#1 Cameron

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 12:35 PM

Let's start a thread with clips from MA Masters.

I'll start,


The late Sifu Kenny Gong

The late Kanai Sensei

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 09:08 PM

Love these guys too:



Chen Xiao Wang

Liu Hung Chieh

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Posted 06 April 2007 - 05:07 AM



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Posted 06 April 2007 - 05:41 AM

2 legends:
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Jerry: "Oh you're crazy"
Kramer: "Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?"
Jerry: "It's impossible"
Kramer: "Is it? Or is it so possible your head is spinning like a top?"
Jerry: "It can't be"
Kramer: "Can't it? Or is your entire world just crashing down all around you?"
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Posted 08 April 2007 - 04:18 AM

Now here is good master:
Ma Yu Liang

Edited by Smile, 08 April 2007 - 04:18 AM.

Jerry: "Oh you're crazy"
Kramer: "Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?"
Jerry: "It's impossible"
Kramer: "Is it? Or is it so possible your head is spinning like a top?"
Jerry: "It can't be"
Kramer: "Can't it? Or is your entire world just crashing down all around you?"
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#6 Yen Hui

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Posted 08 April 2007 - 07:49 PM

Now here is good master:
Ma Yu Liang

01 - Master Young's Chi Powers 1

02 - Master Young's Chi Powers 2

03 - Master Young's Chi Powers 3

Edited by Yen Hui, 09 April 2007 - 10:14 AM.


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Posted 08 April 2007 - 09:59 PM

Now here is good master:
Ma Yu Liang


That guy is awesome, have you trained with him smile?

#8 Yen Hui

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 10:36 AM

Liu Hung Chieh

01 - Master Duan Bau Hua

02 - Master Chen Man-ching

03 - The Son of Yang Ch'eng-Fu

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 02:41 PM

01 - Master Young's Chi Powers 1

02 - Master Young's Chi Powers 2

03 - Master Young's Chi Powers 3


04 - J.J. Quéro's Ki Projection

05 - Jack Hogan No Contact K.O.

06 - Kiai Master Ryukerin Ki Power

Edited by Yen Hui, 09 April 2007 - 02:42 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2007 - 04:00 PM

That guy is awesome, have you trained with him smile?

No, I haven't. From my personal experience, a lot of so called Chi masters fail when they do it with "outsiders".
For instance, Kiai Master Ryukerin didn't do well when was challenged by some young karate guy (watch the whole video HERE) A lot of it is based on group or self-hypnosis. Watch this report as well HERE.
Ma Yu Liang from what i understand is the real deal.



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Jerry: "Oh you're crazy"
Kramer: "Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?"
Jerry: "It's impossible"
Kramer: "Is it? Or is it so possible your head is spinning like a top?"
Jerry: "It can't be"
Kramer: "Can't it? Or is your entire world just crashing down all around you?"
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Posted 09 April 2007 - 05:58 PM

No, I haven't. From my personal experience, a lot of so called Chi masters fail when they do it with "outsiders".
For instance, Kiai Master Ryukerin didn't do well when was challenged by some young karate guy (watch the whole video HERE) A lot of it is based on group or self-hypnosis. Watch this report as well HERE.
Ma Yu Liang from what i understand is the real deal.

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another Japanese Kiai guy


Yeah I've trained and tested guys who can't do it with "outsiders" (ie. me) who actively resist them. That dude Ma Yu Liang has awesome structure or something going on there though. I'd love to train with him one day.

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 07:04 PM

That dude Ma Yu Liang has awesome structure or something going on there though. I'd love to train with him one day.

You might get your wish when you join him and the rest of the immortals :lol:

Edited by mYTHmAKER, 09 April 2007 - 07:05 PM.

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#13 Yen Hui

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 05:34 AM

From my personal experience, a lot of so called Chi masters fail when they do it with "outsiders". For instance,
Kiai Master Ryukerin didn't do well when was challenged by some young karate guy (watch the whole video HERE)


While I understand what you're saying, I'm of the opinion the case with Kiai Master Ryukerin is not that "cut
and dry," as the saying goes. There's much more to it than meets the eye, I feel. Upon doing a quick online
search, I came up with the juicy "tid-bit" below, regarding his 'official' MAA win/loss stats (follow the live link
on the first line of it):-

"The Aikido Master, Kiai Master Ryukerin has a 200-0 wins MMA/Vale Tudo, and that he bets
5 grand he can beat any MMA fighter. The beginning of this video has them signing the contracts. The
opponent (Youger Guy) is a Karate Black Belt, and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu Purple Belt."

The dude was literally undefeated in 200 'official' fights. Now, look at that clip again, that you posted. Does the
way he conducted himself in that match look like the skill of an "undefeated" Grandmaster with 200 'official'
wins under his belt? The way it appears to me, it looks like he broke all the rules; so either he was drugged,
unknowingly, before the match, or he intentionally threw the match, for whatever reasons. No Grandmaster
with his undefeated track record and ki power goes down that easy. No way in hell! But that's just my opinion,
fwiw. ~ Yen

Edited by Yen Hui, 10 April 2007 - 05:37 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2007 - 09:47 AM

I don't buy the ki master demos. I have trained with some of the best Aikido people in the world and none of them do any of that nonsense. Even O'Sensei didn't just rely on shooting imaginary qi shots from across the room. Ime not saying that sort of thing doesn't develop at a very, very high level but I havent seen it yet. The Fajin that I have seen is basically easily described scientifically. Just the natural force of a totally integrated,rooted body. Deep connection from the earth,through the center and out the arms.

I think even Wang Zhiang Zhai preferred to explain internal power scientifically over in qi terms didn't he?

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 10:51 AM

Well, all Aikido students must admit ki like that developes at the highest level of achievement, or else be guilty
by default of implying their own founder, Ueshiba, was a pretender who duped the masses. Even if you are'nt
prepared to admit ki projection on that level, yet the Aikido student must admit the reality of ki, and its ability
to be highly developed. If you admit that, then I cannot see how it's possible to deny the superior ki power of
a true Grandmaster, beyond that of a lower ranking karate Black-Belt holder. Even with advanced age against
the Aikido Grandmaster, I think he should have stood up far better in a challenge match like that.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:32 AM

While I understand what you're saying, I'm of the opinion the case with Kiai Master Ryukerin is not that "cut
and dry," as the saying goes. There's much more to it than meets the eye, I feel... Does the way he conducted himself in that match look like the skill of an "undefeated" Grandmaster with 200 'official' wins under his belt? The way it appears to me, it looks like he broke all the rules; so either he was drugged, unknowingly, before the match, or he intentionally threw the match, for whatever reasons. No Grandmaster with his undefeated track record and ki power goes down that easy. No way in hell! But that's just my opinion, fwiw. ~ Yen

Who knows... but the fact remains that he lost without putting much of a fight. As Cameron said, I haven't met anyone yet who posesses this kind of skill. My taiji teacher does this sort of demonstrations but I doubt he can do the same on the "outsider".
Jerry: "Oh you're crazy"
Kramer: "Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?"
Jerry: "It's impossible"
Kramer: "Is it? Or is it so possible your head is spinning like a top?"
Jerry: "It can't be"
Kramer: "Can't it? Or is your entire world just crashing down all around you?"
My natural alternative health blog




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