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#1 Imperial

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

Please forgive my ignorance, but, in your own opinion, what do you think you need to become an immortal? Without following a specific sect or school, what is important in an immortal? Going way back a few thousand years, there are pioneers that [probably] started of as a martial artist, and eventually found ways to achieve a higher position/realm, and taught those methods for which has been passed down from generations to generations into what we now call sects, schools, or doors. There are numerous of these, while they differ in method, they most likely achieve the same goal.

Do you guys think it has something to do with 氣 (ch'i)? Is it the gathering of ch'i and compressing it into the dan t'ian? Is it refining the ch'i? Balance it between Yin and Yang? Converting it all into pure Yang? Is it the opening of channels? Is it converting the jing into shen? A spirit body? Super high energy frequency? How about breathing? Is it meditation? Or is it a martial arts practice? Both Shaolin and Wudang do some sort of martial arts training.

I have read somewhere in this forum that said that both Zhang Sanfeng and Bodhidharma reached level 72. What were their similarities? They both studied a form of martial art. They both meditated at some point. How about walking? I'm sure they walked for numerous days. Zhang Sanfeng traveled around China. Bodhidharma traveled from India to China. Do you think walking plays a part to achieve something higher?

In short, what do you think is the basic core essence of an Immortal?

Edited by Imperial, 01 December 2012 - 09:54 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:13 AM

You need enough power to decide when you want to die

AND DATS A LOT OF POWAH you basically need to be able to control everything about your life. Think shooting lightning out of your eyeballs would be awesome? Paying the rent is awesome, and even better, OWNING A HOUSE ON YOUR OWN LAND!!! BUT SCREW THAT, A COUNTRY, AND THEN LATER, THE WOOOOOORLD!!!

Now then, to pay rent you need MONEY
There are all sorts of moneys out there like Dollars, Rubels, Chi AND MUCH MUCH MOOOOOOOOORE
Some of them hippie people don't like thinking of chi as money, but it works exactly like that. You collect it and then pay it to do things. Even when you do Mo Pai things and gather power it doesn't mean you can zap things whenever you want to, the thing runs out.
Collection AAAAALL THE MONEYS in your body is called the body of light, I kinda like that one and so I go for epic horse stance
But just having a light body doesn't mean you got everything covered until you tapped into some of that shen stuff, but that should be easy at that level and I've been told You'll understand everything once you're there
For now I just know that shen is the world's money reserve

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:40 AM

Realistically you need a master. Even those with great masters who practice hard don't necessarily achieve the highest goal.
In the mean time build your foundation, cultivate virtue and go extremely deep in meditation practice.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:01 AM

*Just the opinion of a beginner.*

IMHO, chi and all that stuff is an auxiliary. Mind and chi are linked, so cultivate jing/chi/shen and you'll get a great foundation for really high attainment. But ultimately, it's the mind that needs to stop clinging. It's the mind that develops virtue and wisdom. It's the mind that realises its true nature.

Chi is an object. Turn the subject (awareness) within and you can realise That beneath subject and objects.

Really, the key thing is meditation I think. Calm the coarse mental processes, clear the crap from the subconscious, refine the buddhi, progress through samadhi, go beyond to pure consciousness. And don't stop there. Overturn pure consciousness to face the Self.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:32 AM

I read that when or if one reaches a pure yang state, one will not cast a shadow.

I anxiously await for this thread to unfold.

What about tegli? (spelling may be wrong, where the the practitioner creates an embryo, is this embryo immortal?)

Don't mean to derail the thread, just thought this would be a good place to ask.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:06 AM

Virtue.
"Do your practice and all is coming" Sri K. Pattabhi Jois

"My miracle is that when I feel hungry I eat, and when I feel thirsty I drink" Bankei

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:08 AM

Virtue.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:41 AM

You need die, then you are imortal again.
Only mortal here, that not so long so must enjoy and be very happy.
You happy?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:43 AM

Virtue.


Virtue no fun.
Old people can have some virtue when they too old for fun.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:54 AM

to have virtue is not to neglect enjoyment. it is kinda to embrace enjoyment.
if we look at the tao te ching as a simple and often misunderstood title
but literally it is saying that the way to power is thru virtue.
accumulate virtue in this life and then accumulate more.
and have a positive attitude about it and have some fun.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:28 AM

Daodejing says to be like water.
No virtue in water, just water.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:37 AM

good point eskrimador,
water can seem effortless and it is natural in its naturalness.
virtue or Te can be looked at in this way.
water is one of the very basics needed for life, a healthy and happy life.
virtue is the same as water in this regard.
Te/virtue is to be natural and effortless in ones actions and inactions,
to do what is naturally appropiate in a given circumstance.
here is an excellent thread started by rene;
http://thetaobums.co...9499-laozis-de/
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:54 AM

Your Ego has to die in order for you to become immortal.

Read I AM THAT from Nisargadatta Maharaj and SIDDHARTHA from Hermann Hesse.
"There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force."

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 07:21 AM

Not many get immortality that way mr shagrath evryone got ego an id.
Ego die you dead.

Edited by Eskrimador, 02 December 2012 - 07:22 AM.


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:11 AM

Your Ego has to die in order for you to become immortal.

Read I AM THAT from Nisargadatta Maharaj and SIDDHARTHA from Hermann Hesse.


Your ego has to die to become enlightened, enlightenment is not equal to immortality or liberation from rebirth.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:23 AM

Your ego has to die to become enlightened, enlightenment is not equal to immortality or liberation from rebirth.


Depends on the level of Enlightenment you're talking about.

To be a Buddha (hence fully enlightened one), you are immortal.

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