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Posted 14 June 2013 - 10:46 AM

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:00 AM


There are many meanings for the character "氣"

 

Of course, I agree. 

 

I don't agree that Qi is only air or oxygen in Qigong prictise.



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:10 AM

Of course, I agree. 

 

I don't agree that Qi is only air or oxygen in Qigong prictise.

That is true, but let's not ignore them totally.


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:36 PM

That is true, but let's not ignore them totally.

 

 

Of course :)



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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:22 PM

I hope you open up a own tread for the Zhendaopai, it seem interesting and solid and beside one the page some may have question,

since it seem you are the only one representing it.

 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:39 PM

Somehow this inspired me to wake up at 5 and do standing meditation. Didn't even plan for it, just woke up and started. Nothing close to 2 hours for me yet. :)

 

 

By the way, two hour practice of Zhan Zhuang is a must of traditional Daoist retreats in our School among other things. 

 

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 04:56 AM

Is it proper to practice zhan zhuang at Zi hour (part: 11 pm to midnight) or Hai hour (9 pm to 11 pm)?

 

It's the best time for me (before midnight), but Hua-Ching Ni wrote that "All important spiritual energy cultivation occurs during the yang part of the cycle" (between midnight and noon) and  "The best time for self-cultivation is in the early morning when yang energy is not yet too strong". Is it a waste of time to pracice zhan zhuang before midnight, before bedtime?



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:20 AM

Hello Shou YI,

 

 

Is it a waste of time to pracice zhan zhuang before midnight, before bedtime?

 

it will also be good, but the best time for Zhan zhuang from 5.00 till 7.00 a.m. 



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:02 AM

Thank you Vitalii :)

 

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:00 AM

Is it proper to practice zhan zhuang at Zi hour (part: 11 pm to midnight) or Hai hour (9 pm to 11 pm)?

 

It's the best time for me (before midnight), but Hua-Ching Ni wrote that "All important spiritual energy cultivation occurs during the yang part of the cycle" (between midnight and noon) and  "The best time for self-cultivation is in the early morning when yang energy is not yet too strong". Is it a waste of time to pracice zhan zhuang before midnight, before bedtime?


Any time is a good time, unless one really wants to restrict oneself to the traditional way.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 12:29 PM

The middle dantian is more associated with psychoemotional sphere, so when you hold your hands in front of the middle dantian it can activate your emotions. it's Ok.

 

I feel that for a person to get emotional can be a negative expereince in a highly stressful society.  For a hermit on a mountaintop to get emotional is an entirely different thing.

 

However, dealing with their negative emotions could cause a person to grow more quickly if they can tolerate it and decide to continue their meditations in spite of it (bravery and determination).


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 12:32 PM


The former is always the case, not just nowadays.

Nowadays, I do consider Qi is air from a linguistic point of view; and Qi is oxygen from a Qigong breathing point of view. However, as far as Qiogong goes, I consider that Qi is "breathing". For what has been said, I considered that Qigong is the ultimate method of breathing.
 

 

Chi in the body is neither air nor oxygen!  The idea that chi is air originated because the ancient ones did not know the details of the breathing system, and what they felt in their bodies does feel a bit like wind sometimes.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:03 PM

Chi in the body is neither air nor oxygen!  The idea that chi is air originated because the ancient ones did not know the details of the breathing system, and what they felt in their bodies does feel a bit like wind sometimes.


Okay....
May I ask when you do Chi Kung, do you do lots of breathing exercise, perhaps the abdominal breathing ......???


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:49 PM

I met one guy who breathed from the throat. It was awesome! His whole body like expanded. 


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:20 AM


May I ask when you do Chi Kung, do you do lots of breathing exercise, perhaps the abdominal breathing ......???

 

No, the moving standing part of my chi kung has absolutely no breathing exercises, except once in a while, as part of a certain movement, we will breath out with the heart healing sound.  I always breath with abdominal breathing, it's part of life, not chi kung, but somehow my chi kung trained me to do it.  Everyone should breath like Darth Vader except without all the noise.

 

During one of our sitting meditations, of which we went through hundreds, we hummed at certain tones, however we did that meditation for the longest of any, and towards the end of the eight year apprenticeship, abecause it was an advanced* practice.  This humming sound, with each one being as long as possible, makes a person naturally breath with full deep breaths without focusing on the breathing.  In other words, it's the softest style of breathing exercise because you don't need to focus on it.

 

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*advanced: does not mean the beginners are having it withheld from them and that therefore they should focus on it (then it becomes fundamentalism, doesn't it).  Advanced means you get the most benefit out of it after you have progressed along the Way.  Beginners won't get nearly the benefit from it that a more advanced person would because it has a synergistic effect with the other exercises that were done just before.


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Posted 20 August 2013 - 08:47 AM

No, the moving standing part of my chi kung has absolutely no breathing exercises, except once in a while, as part of a certain movement, we will breath out with the heart healing sound.  I always breath with abdominal breathing, it's part of life, not chi kung, but somehow my chi kung trained me to do it.  Everyone should breath like Darth Vader except without all the noise.


I think you have answered my question.  Without realizing the purpose of Chi Kung, but you have accomplished what Chi Kung does for you.


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You have made my day. You are the first person who have given me a satisfactory answer about Chi Kung, even though it was indirectly......... :) :) :D


Edited by ChiDragon, 20 August 2013 - 08:59 AM.

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