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#1 skydog

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:03 AM

Trying, effort and intefering with nature is what semen retention brings to mind.

If one is going with the flow when one feel horny one would most likely masturbate.

If one did this reguarly enough one would possibly notice the drain in energy and NATURALLY would not want to masturbate.

Im not even sure if this opinion is correct but thats like all opinions really.

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:59 PM

Taoism and Masturbation? Ya can't have one without another. Not on TTB!

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

Taoism and Masturbation? Ya can't have one without another. Not on TTB!


Yeah.. its a downright obsession on here, maybe should have a month of no topics and less thinking about wacking off.
It might even help the issue!

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:47 PM

Prior to reading the TTB's I had no idea that guys were going at it that much. And then at one point the 'kundalini' fired 'just so' for a while and I suddenly and painfully understood what it might be like to be a young dude (in my case, I used 'MCO' as a catch-all for pretty much everything for a while).

Where I am curious about male masturbation (or even sex for that matter) is that it seems to get co-opted as a 'stress-management' behavior for pretty much everything. The stuff I've read on here suggests that ejac is itself stressful for men and so some kind of 'non-virtuous circle' is established where the guy feels terrible/stressed, whacks off, feels better, then feels terrible/stressed, rince and repeat.

But then there's the whole 'socio-cultural-religious' 'overlay' which apparently makes it stressful for men to pleasure themselves from very early on (as soon as someone says 'Don't touch that') - making neurotics of many. So, to the contrary, I think it's a valid topic on TTB's (especially since so many practices use 'sexual energy' in one way or another).
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:26 PM

Yeah.. its a downright obsession on here, maybe should have a month of no topics and less thinking about wacking off.
It might even help the issue!


isn't it strange that people create Forum Sections dedicated to subjects that are LESS discussed than masturbation?

although admitedly it wouldn't look pretty, how about a Forum Section dedicated to (spiritual) Wankers?

The Tao of Wacking Off?

Wacking all the Way?

The Way of Wacking and it's Virtue?



Spiritual Medical Wacking Off Neigong?

....

Titles anyone?

:D

Edited by 宁, 17 August 2012 - 11:29 PM.

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#6 chi 2012

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 11:34 PM

It's common for men now a days in their 20's, 30's, and 40's, to have a sudden drop in their libido...and after taking tests showing that their testosterone is low - they are put on TRT for the rest of their lives. About 10 years ago a guy named Dr. Lin bombarded the internet - and made the claim that the reason for this is because of excessive ejaculation/masturbation. Most medical doctors says this is nonsense. But a few have agreed with Dr. Lin. So the big question is - is Dr. Lin correct or not?

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 12:03 AM

Open your kwa and all those gnarly leg meridians via intensive neijia work and sex will be vaporised of your minds, hehe. There are also other things to take into account.

Edited by Gerard, 18 August 2012 - 12:03 AM.


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 05:49 AM

Open your kwa and all those gnarly leg meridians via intensive neijia work and sex will be vaporised of your minds, hehe. There are also other things to take into account.


Thanks Gerard, I'm actually interested in the 'intensive neijia' as my 'gnarly leg meridians have been giving me gyp. I went from being up and about to having to sit on my butt in front of a computer for hours on end this week and I can def feel that my lower spine and my legs don't like it.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:40 AM

yeh thanks gerard

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:10 AM

Trying, effort and intefering with nature is what semen retention brings to mind.

If one is going with the flow when one feel horny one would most likely masturbate.

If one did this reguarly enough one would possibly notice the drain in energy and NATURALLY would not want to masturbate.

Im not even sure if this opinion is correct but thats like all opinions really.

Sometimes, when a person thinks they feel 'hunger'-- they are actually feeling 'thirst'

Sometimes, when a person feels an overabundunce of energy in their lower chakras- they misinterpret that as a 'sexual yearning'....

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 12:09 PM

As a man learning how to manage and control one's sexual energy is very important.

There is a reason why so many Alpha males (men with lots of sexual energy) are in prison....they don't know how to channel there energy into productive pursuits and just end up being angry, self-destructive, frustrated and violent people....when they could be some of the most powerful and productive people in society.

When male energy is not channeled guided through proper meditation it can easily turn self-destructive.....much is lost in ignorance.

-My 2 cents, Peace

Edited by OldGreen, 18 August 2012 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 12:12 PM

Sometimes, when a person thinks they feel 'hunger'-- they are actually feeling 'thirst'

Sometimes, when a person feels an overabundunce of energy in their lower chakras- they misinterpret that as a 'sexual yearning'....

Yes so true, I have noticed that too in both cases .

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 12:12 PM

dp

Edited by suninmyeyes, 18 August 2012 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 01:14 PM

You can go with the flow.

But, what flow?

The animal flow?

The mind flow?

The spirit flow?

I think we want to wake up, and be free of the flow.

Edited by templarmonk, 18 August 2012 - 01:25 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:21 PM

I really can't believe the number of people that have issues with masturbation. It seems like people will believe anything they're told, without any verifiable evidence to support it. The scientific community has agreed for numerous decades now that masturbation is NATURAL and normal, however religious groups still try to impose this idea that it is sinful and unhealthy. Kate made an interesting observation in another thread regarding how our identity is linked to our sexual organs, that it essentially dictates who we are and how we behave, not just sexually, but also interpersonally. I believe that religions realized this long ago and understood that the only way to ensure that their members remained faithful was to remove it from the equation, hence the taboos on sex, including masturbation. The more sexually free someone is, the less likely they are to be influenced by outside sources, especially in regards to their self-identity. Take for example the obsession people have on this board regarding the effects of masturbation on their qigong practice. Ask yourself some simple questions and come to your own conclusion...

If masturbation is unnatural, why are we essentially programmed to perform the act? Nearly everyone has performed the act before they leave puberty, most as they enter. If it was really that harmful, why would it be so prevalent?

Why do religions tend to villianize the act, claiming it has negative effects on people, physically and spiritually? In nearly every study I've seen abstinence from masturbation actually increases the levels of testosterone in males, which may account for why nearly every male engages in the act... increases in testosterone can lead to anxiety, depression, mood swings, aggression, and increased sexual arousal. The act of masturbation actually helps to decrease these impulses and allow for a more balanced interpersonal relationship with others, in other words it actually does have a calming effect. If we know scientifically that the act of masturbation is beneficial, the only reason religions would have to perpetuate this negative image is to control the people who engage in the act through coercion, absolution of sin comes to mind. If the only way to be absolved from this sin is to engage in religious acts, it makes it an almost certainty that those people committing the sin will keep coming back. Think about the next time you're told to perform five "Hail Mary's" and six "Our Fathers" or that the only way to prevent a loss of qi is through abstinence.

Why would religious institutions almost universally encourage abstinence in their clergy? The desire to have sex is one of our strongest impulses, in fact it is the primary reason we develop interpersonal relationships with others. If one wants to ensure that their clergy will be loyal to their religious institution they must first eliminate this obstacle. A ban on sex is the easiest solution because it prevents the clergy from developing relationships and having families. A clergyman (or woman) with a family has to divide their loyalty between the institution and their family, and unlike Abraham, the vast majority aren't willing to sacrifice their wife or children for God, Buddha, or the Celestial Court.

So, I could go on, but I'm repeating myself and it really does get tiresome. The fact of the matter is that anyone who has studied sociology and understands the dynamics of society understands that the reason for such strict ideology and prohibitions against sexual deviations, is to ensure a strict control of the behavior of that society. The more control exerted on their sexual activity, the more control they have on the individual.

There is a reason why homosexuality is rampant in monasteries, just as their is a reason why nearly every male on the face of the earth engages in masturbation, despite the moral reprehension, engaging in masturbation and sexual intercourse it is a natural impulse that is difficult to defy, think of it in the terms of telling your body not to eat when it's hungry or not talking to someone else when you're lonely.

The funny thing to me is that with the scientific evidence provided one would assume that masturbation would also be beneficial spiritually, however centuries of stigmatization has led to a perception that giving in to a natural urge is a sign of weakness and sin. It's sort of like the impulse to kill a cockroach when we see it. Yes in large numbers they can be unhealthy, but they actually have a place in the natural order, digesting things other creatures wont. The notion to kill them comes from the social construct we've been taught, that they are filthy creatures. Ask any entomologist about a cockroach and they will go on and on about how marvelous and wonderful these insects actually are. So if they are so wonderful and marvelous to the educated person, why do so many of us continue to revile them? Because we still believe what we are told.

STOP LETTING RELIGION DICTATE THE TRUTH AND START FIGURING IT OUT FOR YOURSELF. I thought that deserved caps because so many people seem to be incapable of doing this. Will you be blind, allowing someone to tell you what the world looks like, or will you see it for yourself? It's your decision, but hopefully, before someone else starts a rant or thread about masturbation they'll read this first and at least get the inkling to think about this topic for themselves. Trust facts, not faith.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:46 PM

The advice of TCM practitioners has been totally right. Every few days or so, depending on your age, is much better than masturbation every day. Don't use up your essence...don't "drive your car" with no "oil" in it! There is a very factual basis on which all of these Chinese and Taoist theories are based! I know through personal experience...we should all find out the same way. For someone whose energy channels are actually open, they can tell...and for those who practice such methods, it's more important for you to preserve your essence than for a normal person. This is Taoist wisdom and knowledge, not just personal opinion. Practice something real. Find out. :)




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