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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:24 PM

The benefits are to be seen provided the mantras are incanted in the right way...right tone, inflection and meter.dream I can give example of one mantra that was given to me in a dream. I used it to vaporize some "inner demons"... Of course you know that I say this in the symbolic way. Moreover, it helps me relax when i dont have time to meditate and connects me with the unknown teacher who came to me in a dream and gave me the mantra. I got it when my life was in doldrums and it helped me stay sane and practically saved my life.

That was interseting to hear.

I so agree with the right incantations (again unless there is massive devotion towards diety which has incredible potential),otherwise it is waste of time.
A sadhu minding his gurus ashram next door to where I spent a couple of months at friends hermitage was doing his sadhana which included his guru mantra and not sure if he did anything else (IMO he must have been in one way or another).
Anyway they came over one day to ask the hermitess I stayed with for help as the sadhu went blind (!) during sadhana. His guru returned in few days time and helped him to gain his vision back after period of some days.
We suspect that it was either some wierd combo of sadhana or something not done in a proper way.
Or what my friend reckons that he might have been doing datura , as many sadhus do in Himalayas. Dont know why would that get him blind though personally.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

The idea I think I recall is/was that Sanskrit was the most "exact/closest to reality itself" language in all cases so chanting in Sanskrit has a direct relationship with reality while just approximating noises/vibrations in other languages doesn't. I'm really not sure about that though.

I'm also quite scared to call on Ganesh in case he actually turns up and starts stomping on things, but that's just an aside :)

I have heard that Arabic language has a high vibration too.
Supossedly it came as a knowledge in deep meditation.
I dont know Snaskrit so I cant comment from the personal perspective. However it does make a lot of sense from a point of view of inner sounds in meditative expirience.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 05:39 PM

I have heard that Arabic language has a high vibration too.
Supossedly it came as a knowledge in deep meditation.
I dont know Snaskrit so I cant comment from the personal perspective. However it does make a lot of sense from a point of view of inner sounds in meditative expirience.



Ok, just as an idea. And granted, it's a bit 'syrupy' as a choice. And the music isn't the same. But I found two 'Heart Sutra' chants in Mandarin and Sanskrit. I know which one I prefer. Does that mean it's closer to real or not?





Edited: I should also add, I understand one better than the other.

Edited by -K-, 09 February 2012 - 05:40 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:09 AM

Can some one break down and explain to me what these syllables mean?

Om muni muni maha muniye sakyamuni swaha

I get that Swaha invokes the Ajna chakra and Maha the heartmind

but seriously...can someone please tell me what Muni is composed of and what it invokes?



Also the following?:


So Ha

Om La

Om Bling

Hum

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:40 AM

Can some one break down and explain to me what these syllables mean?

Om muni muni maha muniye sakyamuni swaha

I get that Swaha invokes the Ajna chakra and Maha the heartmind

but seriously...can someone please tell me what Muni is composed of and what it invokes?



Also the following?:


So Ha

Om La

Om Bling

Hum


Muni is the sanskrit word for ascetic. Maha stands for great. Swaha is used to indicated that an offering has been made in a ritualistic sacrifice..Sakyamuni is meant to refer to gautama buddha.

Edited by dwai, 10 February 2012 - 06:45 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:44 AM

Ok, just as an idea. And granted, it's a bit 'syrupy' as a choice. And the music isn't the same. But I found two 'Heart Sutra' chants in Mandarin and Sanskrit. I know which one I prefer. Does that mean it's closer to real or not?





Edited: I should also add, I understand one better than the other.


Arent you conflating buddhism into vedanta? Heart sutra is a buddhist sutra. In any case, being a native of india, i prefer sanskrit any day. While i appreciate mandarin, i dont understand it, so that simplifies my life.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:58 AM

.. not sure if this has been mentioned ..

A simple alter w/ a deity image
+ simple offerings (most minimal, some sort of flame: candle or incense, add a bell and water offered and/or vegetarian food, helps more)
can assist with connecting with the grace of a deity.
(Along with the mantra, of course. And certainly you can continue a mantra throughout the day while not necessarily being at the altar :).)

p.s.
I was taught "shring" as the Laksmi mantra which, from a quick online search, looks to be the bij mantra for Laksmi. I do recall that when that group, way back when, was doing it, a number of us noticed that birds were attracted. The teacher said that birds were all about beauty and so were attracted to the results of the mantra.

I don't know much about vows. My sense is that the mantra connects you with the deity, with the grace, being, light, pure vibration of the deity... and "blends one's mindstream" with that of the deity. It's part of "keeping good company". :) .. and connecting with "Enlightened Cause".

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:54 PM

I'll confess to still keeping up the kuji-in (hand-seals) but only in the bath, and not with a great deal of intent, although I am curious when I see my blood pumping through my fingers and I wonder if this particular practice hasn't contributed to better 'right/left brain integration...

Anyway, the way I understand those (hand-seals) are as physical (the trendy term would be 'somatic') semi-hypnotic trigger points for intentions/states. I've actually forgotten some of the meanings/intentions/chakras each seal goes with so I'm curious if they 'work' without the rest and/or if the rest is 'called in' regardless because the sign is the sign wherever you make it (and forget about acupressure stuff in the hands as well, and channels and whatnot).

I see mantras somewhat similarly, in that if you are reciting them, you are doing that to the exclusion of other stuff you might be doing which in the long run will modify your, well, yourself. Sort of like telling oneself over and over what an idiot I am could be replaced by 'I'm really pretty nice' except the words might not have the appropriate resonance for effect. The idea I think I recall is/was that Sanskrit was the most "exact/closest to reality itself" language in all cases so chanting in Sanskrit has a direct relationship with reality while just approximating noises/vibrations in other languages doesn't. I'm really not sure about that though.

I'm also quite scared to call on Ganesh in case he actually turns up and starts stomping on things, but that's just an aside :)


Kate said, "...The idea I think I recall is/was that Sanskrit was the most "exact/closest to reality itself" language in all cases so chanting in Sanskrit has a direct relationship with reality..." sounds close to me although as in the reality of the Hindu gods, devas and related human devotees.

One thing about those great Beings is that they can also be so small, smaller than the smallest seed and not break things yet work the largest "miracles".

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:19 PM

Muni is the sanskrit word for ascetic. Maha stands for great. Swaha is used to indicated that an offering has been made in a ritualistic sacrifice..Sakyamuni is meant to refer to gautama buddha.


Thanks.

As far as Muni, do you (or anyone else) know which Chakra it invokes?

I know Maha invokes the Heart Chakra (isn't that similar to Heart-mind? I never was quite clear about that one).

I also know Swaha invokes Ajna Chakra

And I guess Gam ("gum") invokes the Root Chakra

So which one(s) does Muni invoke, or does it? Or is it a composit like Shrim?

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 06:44 PM

Thanks.

As far as Muni, do you (or anyone else) know which Chakra it invokes?

I know Maha invokes the Heart Chakra (isn't that similar to Heart-mind? I never was quite clear about that one).

I also know Swaha invokes Ajna Chakra

And I guess Gam ("gum") invokes the Root Chakra

So which one(s) does Muni invoke, or does it? Or is it a composit like Shrim?


'muni' is included in the names of some people to give a respectful indication of their nature.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 08:25 AM

Thanks.

As far as Muni, do you (or anyone else) know which Chakra it invokes?

I know Maha invokes the Heart Chakra (isn't that similar to Heart-mind? I never was quite clear about that one).

I also know Swaha invokes Ajna Chakra

And I guess Gam ("gum") invokes the Root Chakra

So which one(s) does Muni invoke, or does it? Or is it a composit like Shrim?

I am not familiar with that system. As far as i know, muni means ascetic, maha means great and swaha is to indicate offering of sacrifice. I am not aware of relations of these words with any chakra. But as i said in a prior disclaimer...since i dont know anything...
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 12:56 PM

Arent you conflating buddhism into vedanta? Heart sutra is a buddhist sutra. In any case, being a native of india, i prefer sanskrit any day. While i appreciate mandarin, i dont understand it, so that simplifies my life.



Am I conflating? Sorry if I am. Not the intention. The 'modern' version of this 'reality relected more or less in language' stuff would be Steven Pinker. But I couldn't bear to drag myself through his book further than halfway.
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 01:03 PM

Kate said, "...The idea I think I recall is/was that Sanskrit was the most "exact/closest to reality itself" language in all cases so chanting in Sanskrit has a direct relationship with reality..." sounds close to me although as in the reality of the Hindu gods, devas and related human devotees.

One thing about those great Beings is that they can also be so small, smaller than the smallest seed and not break things yet work the largest "miracles".



Well seriously, I mean if I'm off chanting devotionals, I'm unlikely to be robbing a store at the same time. Still, I do wonder about this stuff. I'm not sure I think it's fine to look at 'reality' and in the face of what is seen persuade oneself otherwise through willful diversion towards the great and the beautiful - although the great and the beautiful are also present. To what point this slopes off into willful blindness, well, not sure. One's relationship with reality ought IMO to be as close to it as possible.
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:28 PM

Well seriously, I mean if I'm off chanting devotionals, I'm unlikely to be robbing a store at the same time. Still, I do wonder about this stuff. I'm not sure I think it's fine to look at 'reality' and in the face of what is seen persuade oneself otherwise through willful diversion towards the great and the beautiful - although the great and the beautiful are also present. To what point this slopes off into willful blindness, well, not sure. One's relationship with reality ought IMO to be as close to it as possible.


Are you talking reality that a being can know when they are identified as a particular mind? If so to me that is relative reality.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 03:09 PM

Are you talking reality that a being can know when they are identified as a particular mind? If so to me that is relative reality.


Hmm, that's quite the can of worms Mr Bob :-)

- Far as I can tell, I'm not identified with any other mind but it could very well possible for me to approximate such.
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 06:29 PM

Hmm, that's quite the can of worms Mr Bob :-)

- Far as I can tell, I'm not identified with any other mind but it could very well possible for me to approximate such.


lol, you might be left handed and in your right mind...(or however that saying goes)

anyway don't mind me - it's just jargon pointing to all that neti neti out of sight and out of mind mystery stuff. :D




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