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#1 Cameron

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 02:50 AM

Curious if most Bums drink or not.

I drank quite a bit in Korea.

And here in China the trend seems to continue :(

How important do you think abstaining from the sauce is to your cultivation?

I have been on a pretty crazy lifeystlye schedule. Doing my practices during the week and trying to abstain then getting hammered on the weekends. But wondering if it wouldn't be for the best to just stop entirely.

ps. Bijou(Chinese wine) is evil.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 02:54 AM

I do have a glass of wine on occasion in the evening after all my work is done for the day to help me relax.

As with most things in life, excess is not so good.

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#3 thelerner

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 07:17 AM

I probably have a glass of wine with dinner or a beer on a daily basis. Tastes good and the moderate drinker tends to live longer (least in the West) then the tea teetotaler. Some how fermented grapes are a strong health tonic. Part of it is the grapes but apparently alcohol in moderation also helps the cardiovascular system.

On the other hand I know of several teachers who don't drink. I organized a wine and smores camp fire at Tao Mountain years ago and while Michael Winn joined us he didn't drink because he said it messed with his qi. He might be correct, though I know other high level teachers who do.

I don't find my meditation helped or hindered after a glass of wine, but I'm not particularly high level.


I'll throw in this article:

8 Health Benefits of Drinking Wine

Every year, there is a flurry of headlines about the health benefits of wine. But can drinking wine really make a difference? Here, the news—very good news, indeed—from the latest studies. Note: The health benefits come from moderate wine consumption, defined by the American Heart Association as one to two four-ounce glasses a day.

By Christine Quinlan

The Benefit: Promotes Longevity

The Evidence: Wine drinkers have a 34 percent lower mortality rate than beer or spirits drinkers. Source: a Finnish study of 2,468 men over a 29-year period, published in the Journals of Gerontology, 2007.

The Benefit: Reduces Heart-Attack Risk

The Evidence: Moderate drinkers suffering from high blood pressure are 30 percent less likely to have a heart attack than nondrinkers. Source: a 16-year Harvard School of Public Health study of 11,711 men, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, 2007.

The Benefit: Lowers Risk of Heart Disease

The Evidence: Red-wine tannins contain procyanidins, which protect against heart disease. Wines from Sardinia and southwest France have more procyanidins than other wines. Source: a study at Queen Mary University in London, published in Nature, 2006.

The Benefit: Reduces Risk of Type 2 Diabetes

The Evidence: Moderate drinkers have 30 percent less risk than nondrinkers of developing type 2 diabetes. Source: research on 369,862 individuals studied over an average of 12 years each, at Amsterdam's VU University Medical Center, published in Diabetes Care, 2005.

The Benefit: Lowers Risk of Stroke

The Evidence: The possibility of suffering a blood clot–related stroke drops by about 50 percent in people who consume moderate amounts of alcohol. Source: a Columbia University study of 3,176 individuals over an eight-year period, published in Stroke, 2006.

The Benefit: Cuts Risk of Cataracts

The Evidence: Moderate drinkers are 32 percent less likely to get cataracts than nondrinkers; those who consume wine are 43 percent less likely to develop cataracts than those drinking mainly beer. Source: a study of 1,379 individuals in Iceland, published in Nature, 2003.

The Benefit: Cuts Risk of Colon Cancer

The Evidence: Moderate consumption of wine (especially red) cuts the risk of colon cancer by 45 percent. Source: a Stony Brook University study of 2,291 individuals over a four-year period, published in the American Journal of Gastroenterology, 2005.

The Benefit: Slows Brain Decline

The Evidence: Brain function declines at a markedly faster rate in nondrinkers than in moderate drinkers. Source: a Columbia University study of 1,416 people, published in Neuroepidemiology, 2006.

Edited by thelerner, 01 December 2011 - 07:21 AM.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 07:49 AM

Hammer? Non. But I do have a .12L flask with me all the time. But it still takes about three months to empty it!!❤

(ed note: oops! I wrote .25L …my flask isn't that big!)

Edited by deci belle, 01 December 2011 - 07:54 AM.


#5 Cameron

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 08:09 AM

Cool, yeah I would like to atleast switch to wine instead of beer and hard liquor.

I am particularly weary of bijou since it got me smoking again after 2 1/2 years of not lighting up.

It was a beautiful farmhouse in Hebei province, I was innocently taking shots of bijou with my friends under the stars surrounded by beautiful mountains and eating delicious, fresh Chinese farm house food. My defenses were down and I started smoking again!

Ahhh, will have to do some major high quality tea drinking and qigong to kick the habit again!

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 08:28 AM

Red wine every night.

Sometimes Guinness, instead. Yummmmmm.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 09:11 AM

Haha, Guiness...

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:34 AM

Drinking does deplete qi. Destroyed almost all of the progress I made longevity breathing a few years ago in one good party-weekend. As to the evening single drink with dinner or something, well, eating is another thing, as long as it takes place early enough so as not to mess with the evening's practices, no biggie. but if I eat or drink too late, forget about "practice."

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 10:52 AM

Used to drink a glass of wine over dinner. Over the last couple of years, as the energy flow has increased, I have lost the ability to drink. It just doesn't taste good anymore.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 11:23 AM

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 12:06 PM

Havent had a drop for past 15 years since I stopped for a while once I took up daily spiritual practise . Remeber feeling great and clear after 6 months of non drinking expiriment and have no need for a drink.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 12:46 PM

Dark beer and red wine have similar health benefits. Occasionally I'll indulge in scotch (family heritage :lol: ), but that tends to dull the practice!

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 01:00 PM

I think it's to be avoided by those who have a problem with it. Everybody else should pay attention to the information about health benefits of minor/moderate occasional drinking, because it is correct. Animals and birds of the world seek out fruits and berries that have accidentally become fermented (happens all the time in natural environments) and get drunk from time to time. I've seen a whole bunch of hummingbirds go after a pool of wine-smelling juice around a banana that fell on a wide leaf below and fermented. They were trashed! Playing and colliding in the air, throwing themselves up and down, emitting lightnings of brilliance in the sun, such joy to watch! But only animals owned by humans are capable of becoming alcoholics. Everybody else enjoys the brew sporadically. A sage emulates that. :)

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 01:10 PM

I reckon getting mashed on the weekends is preeetty bad in terms of practice. I mean it is fun and all, but I wouldn't bother with it anymore.
This is the whole becoming alienated from your peers that I made a post about on another thread hahah >.<

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 01:40 PM

Lomax drinks, and there are plenty of masters I know that drink... in fact even advocate it, because it helps you to face your internal patterns and let things go.

And hell yea I drink... to be enjoyed in balance like everything else.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 01:57 PM

At some point I spoke with a Chinese acupuncturist at a post-seminar lunch, who is also an indoor student (yup, there is such a thing, much as the outdoor students hate it :lol: ) of someone who has no public presence, whom she described as a high level taoist master. She is a tiny little woman and seems very fragile until you talk to her. So, we had a fairly in-depth discussion, and reluctantly at first, and then eagerly, she told me about her training under her master. She said he aims to demolish every pre-conception she ever had, and so he took her on a trip to Hong Kong to meet with and spend time among other masters of his level, his friends. She told me of many absolutely miraculous things they do for fun, and one of the things she saw them do, on a number of occasions, was challenge each other to consume and then transform cisterns of hard liquor and remain sober, smoking fat cigars while at it and poking fun at each other, and then play martial games in earnest, with much laughter and mirth. She said the master made her learn to drink and smoke (which she never did prior to her training) while at the same time working on neigong techniques of transforming these substances into extra pure qi. "How else are you going to live in a toxic world if you don't have the skill?"




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