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#1 Immortal4life

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 01:42 PM

Info on the Pyramids of Giza- something's not right, we're not being told something

Video about just how exact and precise the Great Pyramid is-


Video about ancient technology
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3747926086715809142#

Really cool Discovery Channel documentary about the Pyramids and Sphinx
YouTube - Mystery of the Sphinx - part 1
YouTube - Mystery of the Sphinx - part 2
YouTube - Mystery of the Sphinx - part 3
YouTube - Mystery of the Sphinx - part 4
YouTube - Mystery of the Sphinx - part 5
YouTube - Mystery of the Sphinx - part 5

Interesting info on the Great Pyramids of Giza-

It is currently regarded by Egyptologists, taught throughout our schools and printed in textbooks everywhere that the Egyptians (namely Khufu) were responsible for the construction of the Great Pyramid. However, when one looks at some of the damning evidence against such a theory it becomes apparent that the Egyptologists theories are based on an archaeological fraud.

The only evidence that links Khufu with the Great Pyramid is a single "Royal Inscription" on the ceiling of the Construction chamber. Colonel Howard-Vyse discovered this inscription between 1836-1837. At the time he made the discovery, his expedition was coming to an unsuccessful close and he had very little to show for the 10,000 pounds sterling he was granted. It is more than likely (as the evidence shows) that Vyse himself forged the inscription in order to make a monumental discovery.

The Egyptians recorded everything about their religion and farming etc but there isn't a single record stating that they were responsible for building one of the Seven Wonders of the World. There is also an extreme lack of information about Khufu's past in the archeological records. There hasn't even been a single statue identified as portraying Khufu. If Khufu built the Great Pyramid, shouldn't he be famous and worshiped for such a feat.

After an examination of the inscription, it should have been noted that the writing wasn't in the correct style used at the supposed time of its construction. In fact the style used wasn't adopted until centuries after it was supposedly written. The inscription also contains inconceivable grammatical errors. A symbol used as an adjective is actually a numerical symbol. If Vyse did fake the inscription, you can assume he copied it from one of the few books available at the time. A book frequently referenced throughout Vyse's diaries is called "Materia Hieroglyphica" by Sir John Gardner Wilkinson. This book is now known to contain many errors due to the lack of understanding about Egyptian writing at the time. An important error is that it confused the sign for "Kh" with the sign for the solar disk representing "Ra". The inscription in the Great Pyramid also contains this exact same mistake! It actually reads "Ra-ufu" not "Kh-ufu". Surely this would have been an inconceivable error for an Egyptian scribe. It would also have been blasphemy since Ra was one of the foremost gods of the Egyptians.

The evidence outlined above shows beyond reasonable doubt that Vyse faked the inscription and that Khufu did not build the Great Pyramid. Yet Egyptologists still cling to the reasoning that the Pyramid must be Khufu's because it dates to 2550 BC. However the only evidence that it was built in 2550 BC is the claim by Vyse that Khufu built it. This demonstrates the kind of circular reasoning employed by many Egyptologists.

It can be proven with only basic mathematics that the Egyptions didn't build the pyramids. The Egyptologists insist that all three Great Pyramids were constructed within a century. Assuming very low numbers, the pyramids consist of 2.5 million stone blocks for each of the large 2 pyramids, and 1.0 million stone blocks for the small one giving 6.0 million stones to be cut, hauled, shaped, lifted and postioned in 100 years.

6,000,000 blocks / 1200 months = 5000 blocks laid per month

5000 blocks / 30 days per month = 166.6 blocks laid per day

166.6 blocks / 24 hour working day = 6.9 blocks laid per hour

So given very generous figures, the Egyptologists want you to believe that the Egyptions were able to complete (at a bare minimum) 7 stone blocks weighing 2.0-2.5 Tons every hour of every day for 100 years without days off for accidents or bad weather etc, using only primitive stone and copper tools, plant-fiber ropes and wooden sledges.

I don't think so!

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Info on the supposed evidence for the "dating" of the Pyramid
THE GREAT PYRAMID FORGERY?
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Why is the photograph of the cartouche in Figure 4 NOT an accurate representation of the SAME CARTOUCHE as depicted in Figure 3?

Based on Col. Howard Vyse's authentic historical record (dated May 27, 1837) I believe the original cartouche discovered in Campbell's Chamber looked exactly like that drawn in Figure 3 (the glob of paint looks like excess paint to me.)

But why does the modern-day photograph look so different from the original drawing of the same cartouche?

I believe that days or years or centuries or millennia later, someone (Vyse? or a modern-day Egyptian restoration project?) realized the circle needed THREE crosshatches inside it in order to correctly spell the letters "Kh" (as in Khufu) and painted three (3) crosshatches in the circle, the middle crosshatch covering the ORIGINAL DOT in the center, which is depicted in Fig.3. But, while the forger(s?) painted the new crosshatches, they inadvertently made another dreadful mistake -— They didn't quite cover up the entire DOT in the center that was originally drawn! (see Fig.3)

Examine Fig.4 again, this time VERY CLOSELY. The middle crosshatch has a very obvious and suspicious bulge in its center. I believe this bulge WAS originally A DOT at one time, particularly on May 27, 1837 when the historic discovery was first made and recorded (drawn.)

If any of you are wondering about the red, ochre paint used (by Vyse) to paint the inscriptions, interestingly enough, the same red, ochre paint the ancient Egyptians used was still in use in 1837.


Here's a very intereting article about corruption in Egypt
http://www.dreamscap...ana/hancock.htm

and-
Lost Secrets Of The Sphinx

More about corruption in Egypt-
http://www.philipcop...com/hawass.html

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News about fraud and corruption in Egypt-
http://www.keysofeno...iza_update.html

Since the beginning of 2002, Dr. J.J. Hurtak and a European team of investigators and explorers have been recording the construction of a massive system of walls being placed around the historic pyramidal sites and the larger unexcavated area of Giza, Egypt — in total, an area covering approximately eight square kilometers. Why build these massive walls at this time? Certainly Giza is one of the finest archaeological zones of the world. Are there new treasures of ancient Egypt yet to be uncovered that require sophisticated technology and surveillance platforms, to protect the ongoing research along the Giza plateau? Has, perhaps, an area been discovered that shows tracings of rare earths and unique minerals? Or is it simply, as some officials are claiming, a move to protect the plateau from terrorists and control the masses of tourists visiting the area?

The standard argument for the creation of such a wall is “crowd control”, but the details of this new construction suggest an initiative that is both multi-purpose and grand scale: the wall near Nazlat al Salman will be, at a minimum, 7 meters (22 feet) high.

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Al-Ahram Weekly | Egypt | Arrests in 'museum curse' case

Info on the Sphinx's underground tunnels-
http://wolf.mind.net/osiris/index.html

shiiiit, they'll fake anything
http://www.redmoonri...OsirisTomb1.htm

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Posted 04 September 2011 - 01:43 PM

Staged television program allegedly "opening" the gatenbrink door
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5370601722017994536#

Unknown symbols in the Pyramid shaft "door"? A triangle with a circle inside? on the left side of the door?

In March 1993, a small 'door' made of marble or limestone with two copper handles fixed on it was discovered by a mechanized robot (Upuaut II, "The opener of the way" in ancient Egyptian) at the end of a long narrow shaft (8 x 8 inches and 200 feet long). Since then the discoverer, robotics engineer Rudolf Gantenbrink from Munich, has been banned from resuming the exploration and opening the door.

http://forums.atlant...ic;f=2;t=000539
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Actually Pyramids were built by Thoth, not Khufu
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The Emerald Tablets of Thoth



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Here is an article talking about these kind of issues
Gizapower.com - Precision

While it may be argued that modern man cannot impose a modern perspective on artifact that are thousands of years old, an appreciation of the level of precision found in these artifacts is lacking in archaeological literature and is only revealed by an understanding what it takes to produce this kind of work. As an engineer and craftsman, who has worked in manufacturing for over 40 years and who has created precision artifacts in our modern world, in my opinion this accomplishment in prehistory deserves more recognition. Nobody does this kind of work unless there is a very high purpose for the artifact. Even the concept of this kind of precision does not occur to an artisan unless there is no other means of accomplishing what the artifact is intended to do. The only other reason that such precision would be created in an object would be that the tools that are used to create it are so precise that they are incapable of producing anything less than precision. With either scenario, we are looking at a higher civilization in prehistory than what is currently accepted. To me, the implications are staggering.

This is why I believe that these artifacts that I have measured in Egypt, are the smoking gun that proves, without a shadow of a doubt, that a higher civilization than what we have been taught existed in ancient Egypt. The evidence is cut into the stone.

The boxes that are off the beaten tourist's path in the rock tunnels of the Serapeum would be extremely difficult to produce today. Their smooth flat surfaces, orthogonal perfection and incredibly small inside corner radii that I have inspected with modern precision straight edges, squares and radius gages, leave me in awe. Even though after contacting four precision granite manufacturers I could not find one who could replicate their perfection, I would not say that it would be impossible to make one today—if we had a good reason to do so. But what would that reason be? For what purpose would we quarry an 80-ton block of granite, hollow its inside and proceed to craft it to such a high level of accuracy? Why would we find it necessary to craft the top surface of this box so that a lid with an equally flat underside surface would sit square with the inside walls?

There may be arguments against the claims of advanced societies in prehistory. Some may argue that the lack of machinery refutes such claims, but a lack of evidence is not evidence. It is fallacious to deny or ignore what exists by arguing for what does not exist. When we ponder the purpose for creating such precision, we inexorably move beyond the simple reasons espoused by historians and are forced to consider that there was a civilization in prehistory that was far more advanced and vastly different than previously thought. We do not need to look for secret chambers or halls of records to know that this civilization existed. It is crafted into some of the hardiest materials with which they worked—igneous rock.



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Posted 04 September 2011 - 02:56 PM

Besides that, one of the pyramids was used for healing... Another one only avatars could enter because people would die of their fear. That pyramid is not open to the public because people were found dead of heart attacks.. fluid in their lungs (drowning).

There much the general public doesnt know about them.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 12:29 AM

Another one only avatars could enter because people would die of their fear. That pyramid is not open to the public because people were found dead of heart attacks.. fluid in their lungs (drowning).


Where did you read that?


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 01:03 AM

Where did you read that?


I did not read that. I was simply there.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 03:22 AM

Actually Pyramids were built by Thoth, not Khufu
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Holy crap, Lao fcking Tzu! This emerald tablet of Toth is more profound then Tao Te Ching itself!

Is there any forum for the emerald tablet of toth? A friend of mine told me once about it, I thought that Tao Te Ching was more ancient. I wonder what the relation of Tao te Ching is to those Emerald Tablets of Toth. The knowledge is so similar to Tao Te Ching in many ways.

This Emerald Tablet translation link you gave is awesome. Thanks man! You read it? The things they say in there, how could they have known all those stuff in such ancient times? They speak of dark matter and how light is formed out of darkness... The more you know, the more there shall be to know more.

One step thou has gained on the long pathway upward,
infinite now is the mountain of Light.
Each step thou taketh but heightens the mountain;
all of thy progress but lengthens the goal".


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Thats sounds like more then just nice poetry, hehe.

Thanks for sharing that link. I'm defenitely going to dig way deeper into these ancient texts from now on.

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The particular group of priests bearing the tablets emigrated to South America where they found a flourishing race, the Mayas who remembered much of the ancient wisdom.
I knew the mayas must have had some kind of alien source for all the things they knew!

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 03:53 AM

There was a great deal of controversy for a while about how the ancient Egyptians could have shifted such large blocks of stone into place in such a short time, many experts came and said it was almost impossible without modern industrial equipment and cranes, but then someone mentioned that if you get enough mud and enough water you can push the huge heavy blocks very easily, infact it only takes a few men to push the blocks with the aid of mud and water, so with thousands of slaves it was probably a lot easier than many of the "experts" first thought. Sometimes the solutions to these mysteries are very simple.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 04:08 AM

There was a great deal of controversy for a while about how the ancient Egyptians could have shifted such large blocks of stone into place in such a short time, many experts came and said it was almost impossible without modern industrial equipment and cranes, but then someone mentioned that if you get enough mud and enough water you can push the huge heavy blocks very easily, infact it only takes a few men to push the blocks with the aid of mud and water, so with thousands of slaves it was probably a lot easier than many of the "experts" first thought. Sometimes the solutions to these mysteries are very simple.

Wait, I don't get it...

How is mud and water going to help reduce the wieght of thise blocks?

It is more likely that some higher consciousness built these pyramids from top to bottom then small people that push blocks from bottom to top trough the use of mud and water.

Edited by Everything, 05 September 2011 - 04:10 AM.


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Posted 05 September 2011 - 04:41 AM

Would love to go inside the pyramids one day. Find out if it gives me a special feeling. I once bought such a pyramid to preserve food... didn't work... at all.

Also would like to see some of the alleged monster-size stones. Hard to believe ancients stacked all those stones. The only interesting mainstream argument that I've seen is that some stones were poured into place, but haven't looked into that in detail. Wouldn't be surprised if the ancients found some way to lift the stones. Don't have much of problem either with the iodea that the great pyramid is older. It were the Egyptian priests who told Solon that society was much older than the Greeks knew. It was them who told about Atlantis behind the, what was it, the "Pillars of Hercules"? Ancient Greeks were at war with them until Atlantis went down in some kind of catastrophe... coincidentally exactly at the end of a major ice age. Not my expertise, but I believe quite a bit of Egyptian-like artifacts have been found in the south of the U.S. and the Caribbean over the years, part of it at the bottom of the ocean. Suspect the pillars indeed were Gibraltar or some other western end of the Greek empire and that Atlantis (Atlantic Ocean?) was beyond that. Guess it was in the Caribbean. Egyptian-like mystery religion... yes. Likely. But aliens and high-tech stuff... Nope. That Coast to Coast AM promoted bs.

It's probably a national security issue to keep alternative theories about the great pyramid and their dates outside of the mainstream. I mean, people into that often have spiritual ideas that can't be allowed to grow. Will upset the present world order, especially in the United States. Christian conservative movement is a real treasure for domestic and U.S. foreign policy. The liberal establishment is dominated by the Anglican and episcopal churches (and the Scottish Rite). The Vatican, allied mainly with the conservative U.S. establishment, speaks for itself. But oil, minerals, security of big business from socialism, communism, nationalism, etc. - alll have much greater priority than so-called space crafts below the pyramids. Pretty sure checked for that a long time ago. And people like Nasser and Mubarak wouldn't have ruled that country for so many years if there really was something like that down there. Bitches like that would be taken out in three seconds if it is truly that important.

People do need to be managed. So you give 'em shows like Coast to Coast AM and websites like Rense or things like the Disclosure Project. All ran by elements tied to the CIA and Pentagon, as is 9/11 Truth and the majority of sites and authors on JFK. Plenty of evidence (which I won't discuss here). Without support of these radio shows and sites (outside of massive promotion by a publicist) ideas can't grow. So these outlets make sure to keep the alternative alternative by mixing in 5 percent fact with 95 percent bs: lluminati, Reptilian, Planet X, Mars artifacts, 2012, high tech Atlantis crap, and throw in all the mystery religion stuff. So people are completely 100% confused and don't go looking into the real stuff. Ah, it's the only way to make a living anyway in conspiracy land. Give half a dozen decent investigators 10 years, put a camera/microphone under their nose and they can explain everything. No more need for the alternative. I give Graham Hancock and a few other authors on the Pyramids the benefit of the doubt for now, but he would be one of the very few independent authors prominently promoted by the alternative. Means he's no national security threat. I speak from personal experience on that by the way.

Ah, download is complete. Have to do my homage (rant style) to Drew Hempel another time.

Edited by FixXxer1845, 05 September 2011 - 04:53 AM.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 05:11 AM

Wait, I don't get it...

How is mud and water going to help reduce the wieght of thise blocks?

It is more likely that some higher consciousness built these pyramids from top to bottom then small people that push blocks from bottom to top trough the use of mud and water.


You just slide the blocks along a muddy track then make a ramp out of wood and earth then put a load of mud on it and slide the blocks up it with a load of slave labour.

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 09:35 AM

Yes modern theories suggest that it was possible to build the Great Pyramid using a system of internal ramps, pulleys and rollers or mud slides ... engineers have also pointed to mistakes made in the construction of the sarcophagus chamber roof which had to rectified ... indicating that they were learning as they went along.

However this does not take away from how much is unknown about the pyramid. It is possible that Khufu was doing repairs to something which (like the sphinx) was far older.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 08:20 PM

This Emerald Tablet translation link you gave is awesome. Thanks man! You read it?


Yes, I have a copy of the Emerald tablets in book form and have read it several times.

I agree, it is very powerful. If you read carefully, you will find actual meditation and energy practices explained.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 03:27 PM

Here is another very detailed, and also up to date, article on the Giza Plateau cover up-
http://www.philipcop...com/hawass.html

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 06:25 PM

I'll resist my usual 'get a room' (or single Egyptology thread) and add Steven Halpern has an interesting album called Tonal Alchemy. I like it for the way he works with vowel intonations. Great example of kotodama, sacred sounds.

It contains a piece called 'Inside the Great Pyramid', which was produced (!) inside the great pyramid. Its pretty good. .99 in Itunes worth checking out. With decent headphones its powerful. Strangely, or perhaps not so strangely it connects well with a strain of kaballah I like.
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 10:18 AM

Oh, without a doubt the Pyramids and monuments in Egypt are designed to vibrate at specific tones and make vibratory sounds. John Anthony West I believe has investigated this subject some.

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Posted 08 September 2011 - 11:22 AM

Human Beings not only predate their own pre-history, but so too does our so-called modern technology.

Has no one ever heard, or more accutely understood, the saying "as above, so below", or how about "all that is, has been, and will be once again"?

It puzzles me, how people can get so excited about these things in this forum. read as: in this forum on the internet, of all places, how can people be surprised by anything?


We don't even "need" to know anyways, all will pan out, regardless of who knows/does what/when.




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