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#33 henro

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:26 PM

It's 2 different studies and they really mean fluctuation when they say fluctuation. But still, your paper is GOOD NEWS.

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http://www.hawaii.ed..._Abstinence.pdf



and notice that testosterone levels continue to drop through day 16. it would be interesting to see what happens over the course of a year. If it ever comes back up, or if the body, in use it or lose it mode, keeps dropping the level.

Non, perhaps in your desire to practice retention you've thrown yourself into chemical imbalance ??
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:45 PM

Back when I tried practicing retention for a three week period I did notice a nice boost in energy and willpower after roughly four days. After 10 days though the benefits quickly died out and I became more frustrated and needy than normal.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 03:46 AM

whoa.. I'm in NO WAY the KAP spokesperson or posterboy by any means...

I just remember Santiago (from his posts here, of some videos or KAP classes) talking about how people went overboard with "retention" and that it was alright to ejaculate like once a month... Just direct that energy towards the greatest good.

This coincides with my personal experience also... when I had long periods of retention (without proper accompanying cultivation) it felt like the whole system shut down.

Now, going to the other extreme and busting multiple nuts a day is (in my experience, and according to the literature) draining for sure... So it's a balance...

There's shit you can problably do to Re-Direct that energy more effectively than just not nutting. I wonder what the study would show for dudes who did that Deer Exercise or something like that... You know; Proper retention practices

...a side note on KAP; supposedly in higher levels they teach you how to absord the chi from sperm after it leaves your body. This is mere conjecture on my part and have not been instructed nor witnessed this... I really wish other KAPers would join in with their experiences cuz I'm not a good representative for the whole system.

Edit: I remember also on the AYP forums someone recommending once a month as a happy medium between being "ejaculation-crazy" and "retention-crazy". It makes sense...

Edited by 3L3VAT3, 24 June 2011 - 03:47 AM.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 02:09 PM

whoa.. I'm in NO WAY the KAP spokesperson or posterboy by any means...

I just remember Santiago (from his posts here, of some videos or KAP classes) talking about how people went overboard with "retention" and that it was alright to ejaculate like once a month... Just direct that energy towards the greatest good.

This coincides with my personal experience also... when I had long periods of retention (without proper accompanying cultivation) it felt like the whole system shut down.

Now, going to the other extreme and busting multiple nuts a day is (in my experience, and according to the literature) draining for sure... So it's a balance...

There's shit you can problably do to Re-Direct that energy more effectively than just not nutting. I wonder what the study would show for dudes who did that Deer Exercise or something like that... You know; Proper retention practices

...a side note on KAP; supposedly in higher levels they teach you how to absord the chi from sperm after it leaves your body. This is mere conjecture on my part and have not been instructed nor witnessed this... I really wish other KAPers would join in with their experiences cuz I'm not a good representative for the whole system.

Edit: I remember also on the AYP forums someone recommending once a month as a happy medium between being "ejaculation-crazy" and "retention-crazy". It makes sense...


"The system broke down" ??

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 02:42 PM

"The system broke down" ??

Yeah it felt literally like "use it or lose it"
...now this was due to medication issues partly but it seemed to just shut down.

There's a lot of guys on the boards who talk about people going way too far with retention and do serious damage to their bodies. I think this can be true.

Like with most things; balance is good. Not too little, not too much. ;)
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Posted 02 July 2011 - 03:40 PM

the only time i feel irritated while doing semen retention is if i do not circulate the energy by doing the MCO...after then i start to feel lively again

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 07:08 PM

btt :)

The Mayo Clinic Guide to Stress Free Living is an excellent practice that all people can benefit from, and is particularly healing for the mind and emotions.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 09:22 AM

the only time i feel irritated while doing semen retention is if i do not circulate the energy by doing the MCO...after then i start to feel lively again


you aren't supposed to do retention and MCO at least to best of my knowledge.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 03:17 PM

you aren't supposed to do retention and MCO at least to best of my knowledge.


do you know why not?
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Posted 28 September 2014 - 04:09 AM

Misleading title.

 

It should read "semen retention, after ejaculation, increases testosterone levels TEMPORARILY by X%"

 

The studies prove the increase is not permanent. In order to attain the "spike" in testosterone again it is logical to conclude that one would need to ejalculate and then wait another 7 days.



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 07:50 AM

i remember reading about this a year or 2 back, and as I was still in my weightlifting phase, I thought "Cool! If I can increase free T like this it'll be like being on steroids!"

 

Now, I'm wondering why I even cared...



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 09:31 AM


you aren't supposed to do retention and MCO at least to best of my knowledge.

I probably shouldn't be responding to a banned poster, but Yang Jwing Ming wrote an entire book about the Microcosmic Orbit, called Qigong Meditation: Small Circulation, where he is adamant about retaining semen for 100 days during the process of creating the spiritual embryo.

 

(Edit: And never mind the vast body of work left by Mantak Chia, which basically introduced the MCO to the west, and deals extensively with retaining semen during coitus and the masturbatory act.)

 

 

the only time i feel irritated while doing semen retention is if i do not circulate the energy by doing the MCO...after then i start to feel lively again

I haven't been on the path of retention for very long, but I can attest to this as well. Now that I'm cycling the MCO everyday, I don't experience any of the hormonal agitation I did when I had gone extended periods without ejaculating where I wasn't doing any qigong.


Edited by katsura, 28 September 2014 - 09:33 AM.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 09:36 AM

One more note, I don't necessarily think we should take testosterone as the scientific equivalent of jing chi, which I think is an assumption underlying a lot of the discussion here. It may be that the testosterone hormone spikes and plateaus after seven days, but that doesn't necessarily mean extended celibacy has no relevance to qigong.



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 01:17 PM

Obviously celibacy is crucial to the training - anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. I've had no emissions since April I think - I would have to check my practice journal - April I'm sure. It's the longest I've gone that I remember at least while I've been keeping track. As for building up jing qi - it's all based on how much energy you lose and energy is lost as "jang qi" or "yin qi" also - it goes out my eyes via my pineal gland. So I burn off my life force energy into chi energy but that's not the same as storing up qi energy. To store it up you need to make sure to protect yourself from sources that take your energy - otherwise you're just healing people. haha. But to do serious healing you have to store up enough "yin chi" to fill up the lower tan tien to activate the "yang qi."

 

Also the term "retention" is wrong since the goal is to never create fluid in the first place - you ionize and burn of and any wrong thoughts creates fluid - so you have to use mind emptiness - mind celibacy first. This is detailed in "Taoist Yoga; Alchemy and Immortality" book.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 01:30 PM

Also the term "retention" is wrong since the goal is to never create fluid in the first place.

This I can understand, however it requires much training for me atleast :D






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