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#17 Non

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 06:50 PM

well I got a very quick response by the people at fourrealms. basically they said that sublingually you get it's effects although it doesn't get physically absorbed because it's not an organic material and it's effects are purely electromagnetic ie, because it's electrically charged.

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 07:30 PM

Imo at least 50% around ormus is more or less scam.


After 5.5 years of study, experimentation, etc., I would say it's even more than that.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 01:35 AM

Please, someone explain to me, what are Annunaki? Reptilians or humans? Did they created human race or they just found humans on the Earth and exploited us? What's the story? And what they do with the gold?

Thanks :unsure:


Supposedly a technologically advanced but fairly troubled alien race that created us by combining the genes of a local primate (possibly Ardi) with their own. Indirect evidence:

all primates have 48 chromosomes but humans have 46, and the missing pair is not just missing but #46 is actually created by fusing #47 and #48 together and replacing the original #46. No natural explanation for this exists or seems possible. Genetic manipulations of this type we ourselves are doing today can tweak with a hybrid's ability to reproduce. Supposedly the Annunaki could have sex with humans and reproduce but the resulting hybrids themselves couldn't reproduce (much like a horse and a donkey can produce a mule who is sterile) -- the chromosome fusion may have been part of GM aimed at overcoming this.

They are most probably dragons, but opinions vary. They go by various names in pretty much all ancient records all over the world -- Sons of Heaven, Sons of Reflected Light, Nephilim, Naga, Plumed Serpent, Narayana, Marduk, etc.. The literal translation of "annunaki" is "those who from heaven to earth came."

They are supposed to have needed gold for to disperse in the upper layers of their atmosphere, which their planet was losing to an environmental or cosmic catastrophe. (If we did this today to our own it would repair our ozone layer holes too.) According to what Sitchin says he read in the Sumerian tablets, they originally mined it themselves, but the workers rebelled for some reason, so they genetically engineered a slave race to do the work for them -- that's us.

Apparently they had mixed feelings about what they did to us, or else some of them thought it was OK while others thought it was wicked (like humans, they are capable of having diametrically opposite opinions on any given issue, they don't all think alike).

So apparently some of them just exploited us mercilessly and thwarted our normal natural destiny into what we all know and have to put up with today, while others tried to help, teach, share technology and nicer brands of ideology. To me it looks like the bad guys had the upper hand.

Whether it is true or not no one knows for sure. (Those who think that a statement to the effect of "it's all new age BS" explains away all the countless anomalies of our species' history, biology, and genetics do seem to know less than those who simply don't know and collect information just in case it crystallizes eventually into something useful.)

Hope it helps.:)

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 02:41 AM

Whether it is true or not no one knows for sure. (Those who think that a statement to the effect of "it's all new age BS" explains away all the countless anomalies of our species' history, biology, and genetics do seem to know less than those who simply don't know and collect information just in case it crystallizes eventually into something useful.)

Hope it helps.:)



Yes, but isn't it also a possible case of 'science'/archaeology etc jumping its own gun? Perhaps science is just beginning now to discover some tools to explain the inexplicable (it's own 'gaps')? Perhaps our own state of ignorance together with the egoic need for presumption/completion/control is the greatest conspiracy of all? Just some thoughts :wacko: Paul.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 02:52 AM

Supposedly a technologically advanced but fairly troubled alien race that created us by combining the genes of a local primate (possibly Ardi) with their own. Indirect evidence:

all primates have 48 chromosomes but humans have 46, and the missing pair is not just missing but #46 is actually created by fusing #47 and #48 together and replacing the original #46. No natural explanation for this exists or seems possible. Genetic manipulations of this type we ourselves are doing today can tweak with a hybrid's ability to reproduce. Supposedly the Annunaki could have sex with humans and reproduce but the resulting hybrids themselves couldn't reproduce (much like a horse and a donkey can produce a mule who is sterile) -- the chromosome fusion may have been part of GM aimed at overcoming this.

Plants, Animals and so on have a great variety of chromosome numbers.
http://en.wikipedia....rious_organisms
Reeves's Muntjac have also 46 chromosomes.
To say there was a genetical manipulation because we have 46 chromosomes instead of 48 like other primates sounds to me like there was a genetical manipulation because we are not like the animal primates. Strange argument for me.
Cant say something about the Annunaki or if the last two are fused but from the posted link it seems some animals have the same 2 sex chromosomes.

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Posted 11 February 2010 - 05:49 PM

Thank you Taomeow, I share the same thoughts as you regarding the humanity genesis but I had this only question about the gold, and now with the occasion of the ormus thread was clarified.

What if they use the gold to obtain the "unobtanium" the ununpentium/element 115, which allegedly is the fuel of UFOs that creates the anti-gravity field? Anyhow with any answer, ten other questions arise, maybe this discussion deserves another thread.

I don't believe the Annunaki is only one single race, maybe the Annunakis were the race that created the sumeriens, or were the race that controlled the sumeriens, which were the inheritors of atlanteans. But how about the other cradles of civilization on all the other continents? I believe during human history many "races from the stars" came to earth and intervened in different periods of time in certain areas of influence in the human genome experiment. Maybe THEY were disputing the control over the planet like the earthly humans themselves did in the colonial wars between english and french or spanish and portugueses.

I dunno, maybe this territorial dispute is even today between several human races and reptilian races, maybe even today the greys which are neither humans nor reptilians make experiments with the human genome .... I suspect the situation is much more complex, in every race are good guys and bad guys with different interests. Like they say in "exopolitics" some races have the mentality of "service to self" others "service to others", maybe inside a race the individuals are divided in these two mentalities... maybe all of them want to "serve us" .... as breakfast, lunch and dinner... I dunno :blink:

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 02:49 AM

Could someone please explain me how it's possible that 5g of monoatomic gold are cheaper than 5g gold? if it's really monoatomic gold it would be easy to make gold of it. It's fake or I just found my new business ;)

http://fourrealms.co...ic-Gold-111.htm

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 03:45 PM

Could someone please explain me how it's possible that 5g of monoatomic gold are cheaper than 5g gold? if it's really monoatomic gold it would be easy to make gold of it. It's fake or I just found my new business ;)

http://fourrealms.co...ic-Gold-111.htm


It's not just monoatomic gold, that's simply a name they gave it but it's actually more than simple monoatomic gold.

Fourrealms made their ORMUS using the same method as described by David Hudson.

Here's a reply I got from them just now concerning other products that describe their product as monoatomic gold saying that it's just monoatomic gold and nothing else, and "ORMUS" extracted by other methods.



"Thank you for your recent inquiry. It is true that monatomic gold and ORMUS
are in fact the same definition wise.

The differences you are experiencing are-

First: the true term monatomic gold = Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic
Elements was coined, after his discovery, by David Hudson. His discovery
was a natural occurring mineral deposit displaying all of the
characteristics of what later would be deemed monatomic gold or ORMUS.

Second: others claiming to have processed M-State material through the use
of sea salt and magnets alleging they have extracted the electrical charge
of the naturally occurring substance.

Three: an alchemical solution using aqua regia where by they are chemically
removing the metallic state of gold and other noble metals to simplify that
part.

The latter two are in our opinion either dangerous or simply capitalistic.
We do not endorse any monatomic element that mother nature did not provide,
as David Hudson discovered.

I hope this was helpful in your search for wonderful ORMUS. Should you need
any additional information, we are here.

Warmest,

FourRealms"

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 03:48 PM

The problem with Ormus is that no one knows what it really is! Results of ingesting Ormus remain anecdotal at best!

Robert Cox who has written the latest book, claims how to make the fabled "Red Lion". This substance when completed, gives complete rejuvination of the physical body. Apparently, he failed in his attempt, and now is moving to India to do his final samhadi. He still claims the process works.

Another problem with Ormus, is the great risk of heavy metal poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning can mimick any number of false states. Feeling of being high, ringing noises etc.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 03:58 PM

Here's an earlier reply:


"ORMUS is an inorganic material; therefore, you are correct that it does not
absorb into the blood stream. However, it is electrically charged;
therefore, you are receiving the benefits from its electromagnetic
standpoint. That is the ultimate factor in all ORMUS products. Any ORMUS
product that is not containing a lactose base i.e. Liquid ORMUS, and is
soluble is chemically treated and in our opinion is not a true ORMUS as
described by David Hudson in his original discoveries and may potentially
impart harm on the user."

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 11:05 PM

It's not just monoatomic gold, that's simply a name they gave it but it's actually more than simple monoatomic gold.

Fourrealms made their ORMUS using the same method as described by David Hudson.

1. Do they the annealing? As far as I know nearly no ones does this part as its to expensiv but from Hudsons description it was probably the most important.
2. Most people in the ormus group say the description from Hudsons patents isn't complete how do they know that it is the same method?

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 08:14 AM

What do you think about www.oceanalchemy.com ? Anyone tested their products?

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 05:55 PM

1. Do they the annealing? As far as I know nearly no ones does this part as its to expensiv but from Hudsons description it was probably the most important.
2. Most people in the ormus group say the description from Hudsons patents isn't complete how do they know that it is the same method?


Well here's the reply to that:


To simplify the matter for you, we sell only Natural Monatomic Gold, as originally discovered by David Hudson. After his discovery, he, from what we understand tried or has patented his version based on the natural source. We have rediscovered the origin through his research. Beyond that we spend more of our time trying to offer you the best bio electric minerals we can. Sorry if we cant offer more insight on alchemically treated versions of M.G. Hope this was helpful. We look forward to seeing you soon.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 10:39 PM

The problem with Ormus is that no one knows what it really is! Results of ingesting Ormus remain anecdotal at best!

Robert Cox who has written the latest book, claims how to make the fabled "Red Lion". This substance when completed, gives complete rejuvination of the physical body. Apparently, he failed in his attempt, and now is moving to India to do his final samhadi. He still claims the process works.

Another problem with Ormus, is the great risk of heavy metal poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning can mimick any number of false states. Feeling of being high, ringing noises etc.

ralis


when I was at Sifu Jenny's seminar there was one person there who told me about Ormus. He's a PhD Chemist and a specialist in metal toxicity. He said that he makes it himself since it has benefits. It increases jing which can then be transmuted to qi if you do practice. If you don't practice then it won't do much and can even be dangerous, he said. He gave me some to try. I tried a couple times and haven't felt anything, possibly I need to do more.


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#31 Kronos

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 12:05 AM

I haven't felt anything neither.

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 07:22 AM

I'm currently looking around. I'm interested in trying some ormus. Does anyone have any suggestions?




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