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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:43 PM

Sounds similar to Share K. Lew's Short 31. The last movement is sitting on the floor with the legs extended in front. The "L" comes from the Torso looking like the vertical part of the "L" while the legs look like the Horizontal part of the "L". Of course, BFP is not SKL so there may be some differences.

Garry, Looking forward to your Burning Palms production.

Best to all,

Bill




Hi Bill,

As you said and as I wrote previously, the two internal systems (GM Share Lew's Tao Tan Pai and GM Doo Wai's Bai Fu Pai) are completely different in almost every way, so the similarity in the "L" postures is only on the visual level...a superficial resemblance. How each system works that posture is totally different.

The TTP seated "L" exercise--the last of the 31, or the 4th exercise in the abbreviated "Power Yoga" involves breathe retention five times with each retention lasting as long as one can manage.
In contrast, none of the Flying Phoenix Qigong uses breath retention. There are numerous BFP meditations that utilize the seated "L" posture (also with no breathe retention), and they have very different breath sequences, upper body postures and mudras, and therefore very different energy effects.

'Really cannot compare the two systems because they cultivate energy very differently, they effect healing very differently, and they apply martial energy (i.e., undo life systems) very differently.

Best to all,

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 09:38 AM

Hi Bill,

As you said and as I wrote previously, the two internal systems (GM Share Lew's Tao Tan Pai and GM Doo Wai's Bai Fu Pai) are completely different in almost every way, so the similarity in the "L" postures is only on the visual level...a superficial resemblance. How each system works that posture is totally different.

The TTP seated "L" exercise--the last of the 31, or the 4th exercise in the abbreviated "Power Yoga" involves breathe retention five times with each retention lasting as long as one can manage.
In contrast, none of the Flying Phoenix Qigong uses breath retention. There are numerous BFP meditations that utilize the seated "L" posture (also with no breathe retention), and they have very different breath sequences, upper body postures and mudras, and therefore very different energy effects.

'Really cannot compare the two systems because they cultivate energy very differently, they effect healing very differently, and they apply martial energy (i.e., undo life systems) very differently.

Best to all,

Terry Dunn



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Posted 06 March 2010 - 09:40 AM

Hi
Anyone know the status re www.taichimania.com for ordering the Flying Phoenix DVDs,
the page says account suspended and emails are being returned?

thanks

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 01:27 PM

Hi
Anyone know the status re www.taichimania.com for ordering the Flying Phoenix DVDs,
the page says account suspended and emails are being returned?

thanks

I ordered them from this site about 6 weeks ago and had no problem. The DVDs are also available on amazon for the same price so you can order from amazon as well.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 01:41 PM

thanks,
I ordered from the site nearly a month since, although I am in the UK i wanted to confirm
receipt of order but seem to be having no luck

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:14 AM

Hi
Anyone know the status re www.taichimania.com for ordering the Flying Phoenix DVDs,
the page says account suspended and emails are being returned?

thanks




Hi themjay:

Sorry for the inconvenience, my website just went offline last night due to a problem with the ISP. It should be back up by Monday morning, P.S.T (Los Angeles).

In the meantime, if you have any questions regarding the Flying Phoenix Qigong or my Tai Chi for Health dvd's feel free to ask here or thru my personal website, terencedunn@yahoo.com.

Also if you are really in a hurry to order DVD's and don't want to wait til Monday, just give me your order here or through a Private Message, and I can quote you the cost plus shipping and then send you a Paypal money request.

Thank you for your interest. And again, sorry for the temporary inconvenience re my website being down.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 12:33 AM

I ordered them from this site about 6 weeks ago and had no problem. The DVDs are also available on amazon for the same price so you can order from amazon as well.



Hi billb:

Sorry for the inconvenience, my website just went offline last night due to a problem with the ISP. It should be back up by Monday morning, P.S.T (Los Angeles). Possibly tomorrow, March 7.

In the meantime, if you have any questions regarding the Flying Phoenix Qigong or my Tai Chi for Health dvd's feel free to ask here or thru my personal email address, terencedunn@yahoo.com.

Also if you are really in a hurry to order DVD's and don't want to wait til Monday, just give me your order here or through a Private Message, and I can quote you the cost plus shipping and then send you a Paypal money request.

Thank you for your interest. And again, sorry for the temporary inconvenience re my website being down.

Regards,

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 08:37 PM

Hello themjay and everyone waiting for Flying Phoenix Qigong DVD's:

Well, it took four more days than anticipated, but my website, www.taichimania.com, where you can purchase the Chi Kung For Health series teaching the Flying Phoenix Celestial Healing Qigong system in 6 volumes, is back online. I changed web-hosts and encountered innumerable problems in transferring the files. But for now, the Homepage and the two DVD catalog pages are working.

Best,

Terry Dunn

Hi themjay:

Sorry for the inconvenience, my website just went offline last night due to a problem with the ISP. It should be back up by Monday morning, P.S.T (Los Angeles).

In the meantime, if you have any questions regarding the Flying Phoenix Qigong or my Tai Chi for Health dvd's feel free to ask here or thru my personal website, terencedunn@yahoo.com.

Also if you are really in a hurry to order DVD's and don't want to wait til Monday, just give me your order here or through a Private Message, and I can quote you the cost plus shipping and then send you a Paypal money request.

Thank you for your interest. And again, sorry for the temporary inconvenience re my website being down.

Regards,

Terry Dunn


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Posted 13 March 2010 - 08:45 PM

Hi Sifu Terry,

Sent you email, also can you tell me more about the L shape seated posture what it belongs to in BFP?

Regards
Garry



Hi Sifu Garry,

How are you? I was out of the taobums loop for 2 weeks because of travel for work, then a week of fixing my website when I transferred to a new webhost. But all is back in good form.

I also started a new Qigong class on Wednesday evenings, 7-9pm, PST, for students who have strong foundation in Tai Chi Chuan or kung-fu. During each session, I am teaching both Flying Phoenix (80%) and the Tao Tan Pai Basic 31 (20%).

I've been wanting to follow-up with you and ask if you wanted to compare notes on what higher levels of Flying Phoenix we each know. I'll send you a PM with the breath sequences of certain med's with a description of their basic postures, and see if you recognize them. Sound like a plan? Should be fun and interesting.

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 09:41 PM

Sifu Garry,

Actually, Garry, I realized it would OK and to the benefit of the Tao Bums reading this thread to tell you what is contained in my Chi Kung For Health DVD series. So here they are with the breath control sequences that we've already discussed on this thread:

Volume One, Five Basic Standing Meditations:
1) Monk Holding Pearl (50, 40, 30, 20, 10)
2) Monk Gazing At Moon (60, 40, 20)- the only med in entire system done with eyes open
3) Monk Holding Peach (I created this name) - (90, 50, 40, 20, 10) legs are straight with knees locked; feet 2+ shoulder widths apart; hands held in a "funnel" in front of heart. forearms parallel to ground.
4) Bending the Bows (I created name): done in square horse. (70, 50, 40, 30) Part A- arms circle in horizontally at throat level; Part B- arms raise to Monk gazing at Moon; part C- palms come together, thumbs touch and lower down center line.
5) Wind Above the Clouds (50, 40, 30) - arms in wide wuchi circle, bring hands to throat; stretches down to right, shifts to stretch over left, back to right, the squares up to holding ball left over right; forearms swing forward, right palm turns down.

Volume Two, 6 basic seated Meditations, "Monk Serves Wine"
1) warm-up med #1: 50, 30, 10.. Half lotus/arms move up and down certain way.
2) warm-up med #2: 50, 10, 50...Half lotus/arms held a certain way just above knees.
3) warm-up med #3: 5, 60, 80, 40, 30 - Half lotus/ arms kinda like Monk gazing at moon but with eyes closed.
4) Monk Serves Wine #1: (80, 50, 40, 30 10)- 4 symmetrical movements of arms
5) Monk Serves Wine #2: (50, 40, 30, 10)- about 9 symmetrical movements of arms, depending on how you count.
6) Monk Serves Wine #3: (90, 80,50, 20) - 5 symmetrical movements of arms. This one is the WAKER UPPER. No matter how tired you might be, this will meditation will keep you up for 6 hours extra.

Volume Three, 2 Intermediate Standing Exercises:
1) Wind Through the Treetops (80, 50, 30)
2) Moonbeam Splashes On Water (90, 60, 50, 20)

**both of these are moving meditations, done 3x slower than "normal" (if there is such a thing) Tai Chi form speed.

Volume Four: Long Form Standing Meditation (90, 60, 5, 40, 30)
****GM Doo Wai told us that this was long form med the capstone of the entire FP system. He called this form thee
"Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation" (singular). (I interchanged the word "Celestial" for "Heavenly" to describe the entire FP system) After we had practiced all the preceding meditations in the above general order (not rigidly...but that's the order in which he taught us, so why not follow it, given that the med's individually are so powerful)****\
He taught us that once we learned this, if we didn't have time, we could simply just do this FPHHCM Form and not have to do all the preceding standing ones. I still do all of them and teach all of them, but it is TRUE: one round of the FPCHCM (which takes 15-20 minutes) has the energizing effect of practicing all the basic med's for 2 hours.

Volume Five: Five Advanced, 90-second "Flash" Meditations.
Each of these meds take 90 seconds to do and are done only once after the breath control sequence (no reps).
1) 90, 80, 30, 50 ,40
2) 80, 40, 50, 20, 10
3) 90, 50, 40, 20 - 5 symmetrical movements
4) 70, 40, 30, 20 - non-symmetrical movements with each hand holding and releasing mudra (thumb-index finger).

5) 80, 70, 50, 40,30 - Basic meditation from "Eight Sections of Energy Combined."
* Posted Image * I didn't disclose this on the DVD program, but this last advanced meditation on Vol. 5 is actually one of the basic med's of Bat Din Gum, the Buddhist Art that cultivates a HEAVY energy that transmits tangibly through any organic matter like wood or cloth. (I stuck one in at the very end just to spice things up for those who were serious enough about FP to work through to this fifth DVD) the energy that this med cultivates is totally different--almost opposite from the FP energy--because it is martial qigong. Who says teaching isn't fun??!!! Posted Image

>>>>>>>and there are more Advanced FP Meditations. But the one's I published on DVD convey the gist of the system.

Anyway, Garry, I went through this 25+ minute typing exercise just to prove to myself (and you) that I know these meditation's by heart. KNOWING them by heart and doing them with the breath control sequences memorized--FOR ALL YOU BEGINNERS OUT THERE-- is part of the training (so taught GM Doo Wai) and it makes for smoother, more powerful meditation. It's a lot of work...a lot of practice and discipline--both mental and physical--for a long, long time. (I've going on 15 years now with the complete system) but the results are well worth the investment.)

Good Health to All,

Sifu Terry Dunn

P.S. *** btw, since this is a public forum and I foresee many people ultimately reading this thread: Reminder that the all the breath-control sequences to the Flying Phoenix Celestial Healing Chi Kung system as well as the exercises themselves, their sequencing, and style of presentation as seen in my Chi Kung For Health dvd series are under copyright protection. Posted Image

Edited by zen-bear, 10 December 2012 - 11:41 PM.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 06:30 AM

Sifu Garry,

Actually, Garry, I realized it would OK and to the benefit of the Tao Bums reading this thread to tell you what is contained in my Chi Kung For Health DVD series. So here they are with the breath control sequences that we've already discussed on this thread:

Volume One, Five Basic Standing Meditations:
1) Monk Holding Pearl (50, 40, 30, 20, 10)
2) Monk Gazing At Moon (60, 40, 20)- the only med in entire system done with eyes open
3) Monk Holding Peach (I created this name) - (90, 50, 40, 20, 10) legs are straight with knees locked; feet 2+ shoulder widths apart; hands held in a "funnel" in front of heart. forearms parallel to ground.
4) Bending the Bows (I created name): done in square horse. (70, 50, 40, 30) Part A- arms circle in horizontally at throat level; Part B- arms raise to Monk gazing at Moon; part C- palms come together, thumbs touch and lower down center line.
5) Wind Above the Clouds (50, 40, 30) - arms in wide wuchi circle, bring hands to throat; stretches down to right, shifts to stretch over left, back to right, the squares up to holding ball left over right; forearms swing forward, right palm turns down.

Volume Two, 6 basic seated Meditations, "Monk Serves Wine"
1) warm-up med #1: 50, 30, 10.. Half lotus/arms move up and down certain way.
2) warm-up med #2: 50, 10, 50...Half lotus/arms held a certain way just above knees.
3) warm-up med #3: 5, 60, 80, 40, 30 - Half lotus/ arms kinda like Monk gazing at moon but with eyes closed.
4) Monk Serves Wine #1: (80, 50, 40, 30 10)- 4 symmetrical movements of arms
5) Monk Serves Wine #2: (50, 40, 30, 10)- about 9 symmetrical movements of arms, depending on how you count.
6) Monk Serves Wine #3: (90, 80,50, 20) - 5 symmetrical movements of arms. This one is the WAKER UPPER. No matter how tired you might be, this will meditation will keep you up for 6 hours extra.

Volume Three, 2 Intermediate Standing Exercises:

1) Wind Through the Treetops (80, 50, 30)
2) Moonbeam Splashes On Water (90, 60, 50, 20)

**both of these are moving meditations, done 3x slower than "normal" (if there is such a thing) Tai Chi form speed.

Volume Four: Long Form Standing Meditation (90, 60, 5, 40, 30)

****GM Doo Wai told us that this was long form med the capstone of the entire FP system. He called this form thee
"Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation" (singular). (I interchanged the word "Celestial" for "Heavenly" to describe the entire FP system) After we had practiced all the preceding meditations in the above general order (not rigidly...but that's the order in which he taught us, so why not follow it, given that the med's individually are so powerful)****\
He taught us that once we learned this, if we didn't have time, we could simply just do this FPHHCM Form and not have to do all the preceding standing ones. I still do all of them and teach all of them, but it is TRUE: one round of the FPCHCM (which takes 15-20 minutes) has the energizing effect of practicing all the basic med's for 2 hours.

Volume Five: Five Advanced, 90-second "Flash" Meditations.
Each of these meds take 90 seconds to do and are done only once after the breath control sequence (no reps).
1) 90, 80, 30, 50 ,40
2) 80, 40, 50, 20, 10
3) 90, 50, 40, 20 - 5 symmetrical movements
4) 70, 40, 30, 20 - non-symmetrical movements with each hand holding and releasing mudra (thumb-index finger).

5) 80, 70, 50, 40,30 - Basic meditation from "Eight Sections of Energy Combined."
* :ph34r: * I didn't disclose this on the DVD program, but this last advanced meditation on Vol. 5 is actually one of the basic med's of Bat Din Gum, the Buddhist Art that cultivates a HEAVY energy that transmits tangibly through any organic matter like wood or cloth. (I stuck one in at the very end just to spice things up for those who were serious enough about FP to work through to this fifth DVD) the energy that this med cultivates is totally different--almost opposite from the FP energy--because it is martial qigong. Who says teaching isn't fun??!!! :D

>>>>>>>and there are more Advanced FP Meditations. But the one's I published on DVD convey the gist of the system.

Anyway, Garry, I went through this 25+ minute typing exercise just to prove to myself (and you) that I know these meditation's by heart. KNOWING them by heart and doing them with the breath control sequences memorized--FOR ALL YOU BEGINNERS OUT THERE-- is part of the training (so taught GM Doo Wai) and it makes for smoother, more powerful meditation. It's a lot of work...a lot of practice and discipline--both mental and physical--for a long, long time. (I've going on 15 years now with the complete system) but the results are well worth the investment.)

Good Health to All,

Sifu Terry Dunn

P.S. Sifu Garry, do you think anyone on this site has outlined more powerful, authentic qigong in one posting? :rolleyes:


Can you please talk about Volumes 6 and 7 also?

Chi Kung For Health, Volume Six:
Advanced Martial Meditations

Terry Dunn teaches five Advanced Taoist Meditations from the White Tiger tradition. "Monk Splashes Water," "Monk Dries Silk", and "Jade Emperor Lifts Golden Pagoda to Heaven" are three such authentic, 400-year old martial Qigong exercises that cultivate a super-abundance of internal energy for health and gung-fu. Terry Dunn specially designed this regimen for athletes and martial artists. (60 min)

NOT AVAILABLE! COMING SOON!


Chi Kung For Health, Volume Seven:
Five Advanced Seated Meditations

Terry Dunn teaches Five Advanced Seated Meditations called "Monk Serves Wine," a component of the Flying Phoenix Celestial Healing Qigong system. Each advanced seated meditation combines a powerful breath control technique with an intricate sequence of symmetrical upper body movements. Practiced in sets of seven repetitions with total relaxation, each exercise within 8 to 10 minutes induces a tangible and specific circulation of internal energy ("chi"), instant mind-body integration, physical rejuvenation, and expanded mental awareness. Each meditation has specific effects ranging from inducing deep, sound sleep without fail to stimulating heightened, supramundane awareness. Proficient practice of Volumes One and Two is a recommended before practicing Volume Seven's advanced exercises. (60 min.)

*New: This program now finally available on DVD!



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Posted 14 March 2010 - 01:15 PM

Hi Sifu Terry,

Thanks for the post, lots of those positions are within my Burning Palm but of course different breath percentages that will trigger as well cultivate a different energy and purpose. I will have to look at the old stuff of Sifu. Like I said on the email there is a few levels of Fei Fung Sunn Gung (golden phoenix, red lotus has its own levels.

Busy now, will write again soon!

Garry

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 04:23 PM

Hi Sifu Terry, when practicing today I felt an intense pulsing in my third eye area and this is the 3rd time this has happend while practicing volume 2. I have a chronic kidney disease and was wondering if any of the exercises you mentioned above specifically help the kidneys. I plan to practice in order but will spend more time on an exercise if it addresses the kidneys. I also was wondering if the book is coming out any time soon-billb.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 01:38 PM

I have a simple question about Flying Phoenix Chi Kung that also applies to many of Doo Wei's claims about supernatural powers -- chi healing and such. I could make this several pages long, but I'll be brief.

The question is if this stuff is legitimate? That is, actually real and not just real in the sense that your mind makes it real, why is it not being explored by science wholeheartedly? For example, if you could really demonstrate action at a distance, there is a lot of prize money waiting for you, not to mention and endless stream of grant money and other funds from wealthy individuals and corporations wishing to develop technologies replicating the action, and so on. In short, it would be a fundamental reconfiguration of most of the hard sciences and would affect almost everything in the same way that the theory of evolution affects so much biology.

I've broken coconuts and have practiced various elements of bak fu pai and other types of meditation for several years and have experienced very real sensations, but I have yet to see anything conclusive regarding action at a distance. I've seen Doo Wai move paper in his own recordings with his own setups, but my standards of evidence are just a little higher. I'm a serious person and I don't want to waste my time chasing anecdotes, feelings and hearsay because every culture has some form of spirit healing and when tested are all just as good as placebo.

So there it is. How do you know it works? Personally, and my goal is not to confront but really just get at some answers here, but personally, it's hard for me to get it up when it comes to esoteric breath control sequences and elaborate hour long slow moving meditations if there's no way to actually, really, truly quantify progress and if I'm OK with thinking "I touched him and he felt better, must have been my healing chi." then I would have to accept that someone who says Zeus blessed their wife with child has the same standard of evidence that I do. If this could be shown to, let's say, the Randi Foundation, you would get a million dollars. Science would be changed forever. You'd be a hero. Everyone would be trying to prove you wrong but the evidence would stand up to scrutiny and everyone would be forced to admit something is there. This has yet to happen and I cannot begin to understand how, what amounts to, a quasi-mystical pre-science culture could have figured it out without us noticing such an important, fundamental aspect of nature.

Anyone care to help me out with their thoughts?

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 02:33 PM

I think I could be wrong but apparently there is footage of him demonstrating to news reporters that came to him and did in front of them there?

I guess many things cannot be explained but its within...

People have been attacking Master Doo Wai for years, does his methods work YES, what else matters?

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 04:27 PM

Hi Disciple,

You raise very good and obvious points and I think it is always more complicated than just going to Randi - check out some of the literature on chi (of course a lot is not in English), I've included a couple of papers on Yan Xin that Drew passed on.

Now I mention Yan Xin because he's the most well-documented practitioner - there is an English translation of a book going into detail of his collaboration with high-energy physicists in China, doing the seemingly impossible like altering radioactive half-lives, etc. (this book is really hard to find and only around $200 http://www.amazon.co...8784877&sr=1-10) Of course, most Western scientists have not seen any of this literature and even if they did see it, who among them would actually vet this? And all this despite the paradigm-shaking potential of such a discovery.

Now I still have many questions on this general phenomena, but I must admit, much of my doubt has been quelled since getting shocked by Robert Peng, so now I have to wonder. One could still ask why he just doesn't go to Randi or any other group of skeptics and demonstrate. I don't think there is an easy linear path to proving this, despite the apparent simplicity of "show them."

Things get even more complicated when you start talking about unspoken bias among scientists who have a definite world-view (it's there any time you have groups of people interacting).

From my perspective, there is actually quite a bit of data on the phenomena, but it will still take a lot of work to dig this up, translate when necessary, and present this to Western scientists who would be interested in replicating/verifying the information.

In my opinion, you don't need to go looking for someone that displays supernormal abilities, just look at the effects of ordninary human intent, which is well-documented in William Tiller's works (among others, such as Dean Radin, Lynne McTaggert,etc) which show very compelling data in systems such as Drosophila development, etc.

Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Rene'

I have a simple question about Flying Phoenix Chi Kung that also applies to many of Doo Wei's claims about supernatural powers -- chi healing and such. I could make this several pages long, but I'll be brief.

The question is if this stuff is legitimate? That is, actually real and not just real in the sense that your mind makes it real, why is it not being explored by science wholeheartedly? For example, if you could really demonstrate action at a distance, there is a lot of prize money waiting for you, not to mention and endless stream of grant money and other funds from wealthy individuals and corporations wishing to develop technologies replicating the action, and so on. In short, it would be a fundamental reconfiguration of most of the hard sciences and would affect almost everything in the same way that the theory of evolution affects so much biology.

I've broken coconuts and have practiced various elements of bak fu pai and other types of meditation for several years and have experienced very real sensations, but I have yet to see anything conclusive regarding action at a distance. I've seen Doo Wai move paper in his own recordings with his own setups, but my standards of evidence are just a little higher. I'm a serious person and I don't want to waste my time chasing anecdotes, feelings and hearsay because every culture has some form of spirit healing and when tested are all just as good as placebo.

So there it is. How do you know it works? Personally, and my goal is not to confront but really just get at some answers here, but personally, it's hard for me to get it up when it comes to esoteric breath control sequences and elaborate hour long slow moving meditations if there's no way to actually, really, truly quantify progress and if I'm OK with thinking "I touched him and he felt better, must have been my healing chi." then I would have to accept that someone who says Zeus blessed their wife with child has the same standard of evidence that I do. If this could be shown to, let's say, the Randi Foundation, you would get a million dollars. Science would be changed forever. You'd be a hero. Everyone would be trying to prove you wrong but the evidence would stand up to scrutiny and everyone would be forced to admit something is there. This has yet to happen and I cannot begin to understand how, what amounts to, a quasi-mystical pre-science culture could have figured it out without us noticing such an important, fundamental aspect of nature.

Anyone care to help me out with their thoughts?

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