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Posted by spiraltao on 21 September 2011 - 07:46 PM
My old sifu had moved back after seventeen years and I seen him on youtube, so I called and told him my situation. I remember telling him "I am at rock bottom, teacher." He said, "THAT IS WONDERFUL! There is only one way to go and that is UP." This gave me some hope.
He introduced me to circle walking. I started to feel a bit less lethargic and my anger issues began to subside. I kept getting hepatic panels ran on a monthly basis and my enzymes and billirubin levels began to drop. The doctor at the University of KY told me that my liver tests would NEVER be normal again. He said that I might be able to lower them, but would never read as a healthy liver.
To make a long story a bit less long, I stuck to my training. I learned the eight mother palms and my inside and outside changes. In Feb I met Zerostao and he introduced me to some bagua qigong. Until this I had only been doing ZZ standing as chi kung. Zerostao introduced me to the iron shirt form and the single and double palm changes among other things that I have covered in my training log.
I made sure to play my bagua every day and actually think I know what song means!
Well, fast forward to last Friday, I had another hepatic panel done.
My sister is a AARNP (nursing practitioner) and she simply couldn't believe what she seen. She at first thought that my labs had gotten mixed up. They were the labs of a man with a healthy liver!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES! I NOW HAVE THE PROOF IN BLACK AND WHITE!
I AM PROOF THAT CHI KUNG IS REAL AND IT WORKS! I never had any doubt, but others were skeptical in the family but being that kung fu has been a passion of mine since I was four they were used to the combat part, but had never heard of learning to fight to improve your health, as my dad puts it.
THIS POST GOES OUT TO THE EVERY TAO BUM THAT HAS HELPED ME. ...and to Zerostao for leading me to this wonderful place. I feel at home now.
I can do ANYTHING with proper guidance and this is only the beginning. Where as before I really wondered if I would live to see my daughter graduate high school.
I am not being arrogant, but I feel better than I have since I was in my early twenties and I just slapped a cap block with no warm up to see if my metal element was still in order. Yeah, it broke with ease and my friend said the slap looked nearly effortless.
There is no way to hide my excitement and express the joy in my heart with words.
I must thank my god, my sifu, Zerostao, Lao Xie, Ray Carbullido, Kent Howard, Kenneth Cohen and Dr. Yang Jwing Ming and Master Liang Shou Yu. Not mention Frank Allen. Each person listed above played a pivotal role in my transformation.
Posted by Encephalon on 18 August 2011 - 10:01 AM
Then my shoulder joints turned to balsa wood.
But before that happened, back in September of 2008, I had the good fortune of getting Nei kung instruction. I am relieved to know that in a city with dozens of opportunities for studying Chi kung I was able to zero in on Nei kung as my formal introduction to Taoism and internal alchemy. The fact that the studio was only 30 minutes from my house also figured in my decision. I now divide my life between pre-Nei kung and post-Nei kung.
Since Nei kung is on one level a body/mind discipline it can be cumbersome to make distinctions between physical and mental progress, but I’ll make the attempt for clarity’s sake. I am clearly more coordinated. As a kid, I was never the last one picked for the team, but I was rarely the first one, either. I didn’t really get in touch with my inner athlete until I became a runner three years after sobriety and then began to dabble with strength training, tae kwon do, and yoga as I got older.
Since Nei kung works on the level of the nervous system, virtually every physical skill is affected, whether it’s tossing rubbish into a waste basket 12 feet away or reducing the asymmetrical nature of kicks and punches between the left and right sides of the body. So, a weaker roundhouse kick with my right leg is now just as powerful as my once stronger left leg is. Same with punches.
I’ve struggled with maintaining my energy level following major shoulder surgery in February of this year, but without Nei kung I would have been significantly reduced in vitality at this point. My physical therapist told me he had never seen such a remarkable recuperation of a total shoulder joint replacement surgery so quickly. The fact that I did only Nei kung, and jettisoned his assigned PT exercises (too boring!) is a testament to the healing power of this practice. Six months following surgery, I am once again training with my beloved kettlebells and regular sets of push-ups. Sadly, benching and deadlifting are history.
My most informed estimate is that my progress with chi flow is consistent with the rest of the practicing population. When I began I was extremely fit and extremely relaxed, and all the focus on mind/muscle connection while lifting weights naturally availed itself to feeling chi. I remember the sheer joy, just a few months after joining TTB, when the incipient signs of chi flow manifested in my finger tips. (Trunk, you were there for me with some high-quality feedback that I will always be grateful for!)
At the one-year point, with a little help from Gary Clyman’s DVDs, the meridians in my arms and torso were opening nicely but I was becoming grossly overheated. My face broke out in dry patches and blemishes and my chest and face felt like a space heater. Only with acupuncture treatments and herbal preparations did this subside. Of course, I put Clyman’s practices on hold as well. The reefer madness didn’t help either.
At the two-year point, my leg meridians began to wake up. I found Robert Bruce’s “Energy Work” extremely helpful in opening up the feet and legs and to this day, when I run my energy in meditation, my feet still vibrate in the same pattern I used in Bruce’s practice. To feel the chi course down from the heel and wash over the digits, little toe first, feels like a reflexology treatment from the inside out; really nice.
After frying my circuits with Clyman’s Fire energy practice, I switched over to the Water Method and began Bruce Frantzis’ Dissolving meditation about two years ago. If time permits, I try to do this immediately after my morning Nei kung run, but as long as I commit to two daily sessions the chi flow stays strong. (I have just recently posted how I rectified an imbalance between my calcium and magnesium intake and how this has resulted in a quicker, stronger, more responsive chi flow almost overnight.) At this three-year point, I can manipulate the energy at will throughout my entire body, and assume that I’ll be focusing on specific meridians and organs soon, starting with the kidneys, which really do kind of sit back there, singing and smiling. This level of proficiency seems consistent with what I’ve read in books and online as intermediate, but I’m due for a Nei kung checkup soon.
The literature on these physical phenomena is abundant. What seems scarcer is material relating the mental benefits of Nei kung practice. Most of it seems limited to generic notions of increased calm, focus, and concentration and this has been my experience also but the single most obvious effect of Nei kung on me emotionally is a dramatic dissolution of self-loathing and self-criticism, what is referred to in 12-Step groups as “stinking thinking.” I'm in no position to offer an explanation of how the biomechanics of Nei kung practice reduce and dissolve negative mental states except to cite the obvious and well documented effects of a tuned up endocrine system that pumps out less “fight or flight” hormone and more “rest and digest” hormone. I think the subject of the emotional healing of Nei kung practices is going to be robust in the years to come, the same way that the dialog of the last 60 years between Buddhists and western psychologists has revealed the healing effects of meditation.
My imagination and creativity have soared with Nei kung. I’m left-handed and right-brained to begin with, to a fault, actually, and it would seem that Nei kung brings out our natural attributes. My dream states continue to harvest older and older memories, as if my subconscious were being excavated and reexamined on a daily basis. I was navigating an airborne submarine through a mountain range that was constructed out of a highly polished piece of petrified wood that was part of my childhood rock collection. I hadn’t thought about that in 40 years but I recognized it immediately. My guitar playing has progressed nicely and my ability to resolve chord progressions in my head is getting as good as my fellow music students whom I used to envy and admire. My wife and I are becoming synchronized in thought and action that defies the limits of probability. And, my meditations and pre-sleep imagery are downright Escher-esque; I close my eyes and the cascade of images rivals those I used to experience 30 years ago under the influence of hallucinogens. (I’m salivating just thinking about psilocybin and what it would be like now!!! )
After I started Nei kung, I finished my master’s thesis, got married, gave up the reefer and am six weeks away from having my first child. My family and I are steadily preparing the way to move into a rural eco-village in three years. None of this could have been possible if Nei kung hadn’t dissolved my self-destructive scripts and replaced them self-confidence and self worth and what Clyman refers to as “deservingness.” It is the healthiest thing I have ever done, bar none.
PS – I picked the screen name “Blasto” when I joined TTB because I was using the same name to sign up for a bunch of hardcore fitness and conditioning newsletters. It never felt right and may have contributed to my reputation for being belligerent. For what it’s worth, I “feel” less belligerent, and will hopefully manifest this feeling in this forum.
Posted by OldChi on 10 March 2012 - 07:00 AM
There are three possible outcomes of Jing conservation.
1. You give in to fantasies and release your Jing...thus failing
2. You become a very angry and irritable person for 100 days
3. You become a Dynamo of energy and grow in strength and power in every area of your life
I have experienced all three of these outcomes when i attempted to conserve Jing in the past. Therefore there are 2 qualities that are required to conserve Jing successfully: Mental Clarity and Emotional Stability. Both qualities are complementary to each other.
If you do not have Mental Clarity then you will lose to your fantasies. If you do not have Emotional Stability then you will end up getting very angry and saying and doing dumb shit. Being grounded is very important in this practice.
The first couple of weeks are perhaps the most difficult because your not used to the increased Vitality and Horniness that comes with the practice but... eventually your energies plataeu and you will get used to it.
Mental Clarity becomes even more important as the 100 days go by because i have found that if you fantasize during the day but still don't release Jing...those fantasies will carry over to your sleep and it will find a way to release itself during dream-time. All of these qualities are built upon a certain level of maturity that has been reached through cultivation.
Benefits of Semen Retention
Conserving Jing really is a fantastic practice. When you conserve your sexual energy it really is amazing how powerful you become in your own life...but in order to conserve jing effectively and use it to your benefit you must learn how to channel the inner fire. If fire is not channeled properly then you will be come an extremely agitated person.
When conserving Jing it has been my experience that instead of exploding your sexual energy though your dick it will start exploding inwards and manifest in your everyday life. Everything i did developed a new level of intensity and involvement...I became more productive and motivated in all areas of my life: i did better in school, chi-gung, and in my interpersonal relationships.
People often wonder how great cultivators can dedicate 8 hrs a day to cultivating...but when you have so much excess sexual energy your whole being wants to DO DO DO.
You feel like you have so much energy that you can do anything...and this energy must be channeled into something be it your esoteric practice or you building a business. You become a great tool of manifestation...all you need do is choose something to DO. But if you don't properly channel it into something it can drive you crazy.
Perhaps the most important of all the things i learned while cultivating is that when the mind is not constantly bickering then conserving your Jing becomes a natural state. When you discipline the monkey mind then conserving is easy...for those whom struggle too conserve and find that they can't.....go back to the drawing board....sit...and continue developing clarity....when you approach this practice with a reasonable level of clarity...then it is as easy as breathing.
As a side not i'd say that conserving Jing along combined dual cultivation is in many ways a superior practice than celibacy...but one that takes a very high level of discipline and self-control.
On the other hand Celibacy paired with conserving is better for those that wish to not develop any attachments and do not want to be tied down by a partner (ascetics). In such cases it is a simpler and much better practice to cultivate.
I am coming back to edit this post because when i first wrote it i was ignorant of the fact that actually having a spiritual practice for transmutation of jing was so important....i did not realize this simply because i was already practicing my Nei-Gong very intensively and had never conserved without it.
Having a transmutation practice is very important in order to effectively channel the built up sexual energy. If you don't already have a spiritual practice then some simple practices for this purpose are Meditating on the Lower Dantien or The Microcosmic Orbit. Both meditations can be found readily available online and are discussed in this thread.
-My 2 cents, Peace
Posted by thetaoiseasy on 07 June 2012 - 04:06 PM
I'm not a master or teacher, really. Just someone who has done a lot of cultivation for a long time -- who experienced both the joys of improvement, as well as the darker moments when things don't go as wished. And I've learned some things in the process. I've had various breakthroughs in my journey. Here are some simple thoughts that might help some people who are just starting out.
1. Ask yourself. Am I healthy, mentally and physically? If you aren't, then your practice is incomplete. Period. Do not try to justify your practices. Any practice that makes you seem crazy to the people around you and unfit to live in this world should be challenged, questioned and adapted accordingly.
No amount of spiritual growth or phenomenon can compensate for poor mental and physical health. How can you manage spiritual matters if you can't manage your own physical matters? The high is built from the low. What I'm saying is don't become so enchanted with qigong and miraculous cures that you neglect the regular rhythm of life. The highest achievement is not being supernatural -- it is being natural. Naturalness is alignment with the Way, the true path to immortality.
2. Moving meditation serves a very different function than sitting meditation. In moving meditations, the main function is generate chi flow to break through blockages and to cleanse. The purpose of standard sitting meditation (not including MCO, orbit circulation, or alchemy) is to store and concentrate energy in the correct locations. The former is yang, the latter is yin. Of course, this is not set in stone and is a very broad generalization. But a simple rule is to do an equal amount of time of both. That is my experience, because life is alteration of yin and yang. Such is your practice.
3. The lower dan-tien is physical health and energy storage. The middle dan-tien governs the mind. The upper dan-tien is the spiritual center of rationality. Where are you centered? Once you are even slightly achieved, you can immediately tell which dan tien a person is centered. High masters have their energy centered 1 feet above their heads. But you don't have to care about that high achievement. Find your own center. Are you gathered at a point appropriate to yourself.
4. Diet is important. And the rule is very simple. Meat is very yin and causes the energy to sink. It increases jing production. Vegetables are yang and causes the energy to ascend. It increases the jing-->qi conversion. Everyone requires a different type of diet, depending on where you are centered. Is your energy constantly dispersing and ascending and floating? You may need some meat. Are you sluggish, congested, and feeling bogged down? Some vegetables can help. Vegetables are not the ticket to heaven or more spiritual, nor is meat bad or evil. The only determinant is appropriateness.
5. The position of hand postures in meditation and qigong are essential. Which dan-tien are you working with? Everyone needs to make this judgment for themselves. If your energy center is naturally high, then too much working with the upper dan tien will cause you to be dizzy and exacerbate high blood pressure. This person probably needs to walk more, meditate with the harmony or yin-yang hand position, and work with the lower dan tien. If you are young, too much work with the lower dan-tien will only cause your sex drive to become uncontrollable.
6. Do you know that everything is an energy response? When you know chi, you know real life. So learn what elevates your chi and what sinks your chi, whether is your friends, books, food, or exercise. Nothing can escape the purview of chi. This is the subtle response of chi.
a. Given the opportunity now, watch youtube videos of grandmasters. Sometimes after watching their chi flow for 3 minutes, it's as if did qigong for 2 hours.
b. Read good spiritual books to open up the chi channels. When you read books by authors of high achievement, the watery sexual energy begins to transform instantly to chi. Truthfully, for the time you are reading their books, their energetic achievement becomes your own. The same spirits that helped the master will join you.
c. Spiritual invocations,verses, and writing are very powerful. Words are louder than thunder. They create an immediate spiritual response. If done sincerely everyday, they can improve your qi levels better than any complicated qigong method. Find spiritual passages that you enjoy. Read them aloud with sincerity.
7. You'll experience many amazing phenomenon. Golden and white light flashing in front of your eyes. Sound of Qi like the roaring ocean or a thousand horses. Fragrant smells not from this earth. These phenomenon are wonderful. But at the end of the day, you still have to live with yourself. None of them are important as your sanity. So are you serviceable to people? Are you truly healthy, or just plain deluded? Do people around you notice a positive change in your life? Are you a rounded person who people like to be around? Or are you a mad man who locks himself in his room all day, doing cultivation to escape the hardships of life? No one can escape the necessity of a balanced life.
8. Your reproductive energy is key to spiritual growth, and if managed well, can support your health. Do not waste your jing. It can open the doors to immortality. Failure to manage this energy through masturbation or reckless sex will close the doors. If you are celibate, your body will gather transform more and more jing to yang qi. Watch out. This yang qi is hot electricity and can damage the yin physical body, especially if you are playing around with semen retention practices, and if you are under 30 and your sexual energy is generating at its fullest. Its easy to have stagnation, and one must learn how to manage it.
9. Cultivation is not intellectual activity -- it is real life and experiential wisdom. Don't be disappointed that you can't explain concepts, or do not have access to many books or grandmasters. Just seek the foundational information, and don't lust for too much information. Too much will only bog you down. And there is more enough information out their for a basic foundation. Get the foundation right: the basic qigong movement and meditation postures. The branches will grow if the trunk is solid.
People say that they've opened the Microcosmic Orbit and that it's a beginner practice, for example. MCO is not a beginner meditation at all, and it can take you much further than one thinks if you practice it continuously. It really depends on your own attainment. The orbit circulation starts as a small line --- then becomes a huge ball or wave of energy. The orbit feels like it is outside and within the body. When the time is right, it can lead to opening of the central channel. I still haven't seen more than a handful of people with completely opened orbits.
10. Do you want energy transmission from a grandmaster for free? Seek the source of pure yang from the sun, pure yin from the moon. Inhale their energies and store it in the dan tien. Be earnest and create an energy response with the ultimate sources. The ancient Chinese word for medicine was "dan," which was composed of the words for the sun and the moon. Lao Zi also said he ate from the "mother," which is the composition of the words for the sun, moon, and stars. If you can take in the yin and yang from these sources, then converge the energies, you will create the golden pill. It's that simple.
11. No matter what you do, be sincere in your cultivation. When you sincere, you can connect to the emptiness. Full lotus and all these esoteric techniques with mudras, chants -- they are useful and extremely important, but are not the main thing. At the end of the day, the heart's sincerity is still the most important factor of all.
Edit: I want to personally apologize for the mess this thread has become. It is a barren wasteland, as I deleted all my posts. One of my personal rules--upon signing up and posting in taobums--is that I wouldn't go into specifics of cultivation, such as posture, techniques, or methods. That I would only share guiding and broad principles in the spirit of the first post. I kept breaking my own rule, post after post, and then I had to delete the posts. There are many subtleties in learning, much of which is heart-to-heart energetic communication between the teacher and student. Tips are a dime a dozen, found in hundreds of book, and may work for one person but harm another.
Best to you all,
Posted by Ya Mu on 06 October 2013 - 05:21 AM
I would like people to recommend particular practices that they have found beneficial. I realise that this can span a fairly wide area of experience, and so I hope others can respect that.
I think it would be particularly useful for people to discuss their own experiences, rather than to attack or disparage what others have, or are, doing....
A great idea.
I practice Stillness-Movement & Gift of the Tao High Level Neigong.
What makes a practice "High Level"?
I know you left the topic wide open to include all practices so I am speaking strictly from the perspective of neigong and mostly from the perspective of the practice of Stillness-Movement & Gift of the Tao High-Level Neigong.
It seems many think "High Level" means that someone is good at what they are doing. I can see that...if a person reaches a peak of development in any system then they have reached a high level within that system.
But in neigong, and specifically in Stillness-Movement, High - Level means the level of Light.
In terms of development one can look at the model (which I don't) of Qi-Jing-Shen-Light.
This can be simplified (oh boy, groan) by saying a person begins at the Qi level, works with Jing, and eventually, through much time&effort, reaches harmony with Shen. THEN they learn how to harmonize (dance in wu wei) and manipulate (our version of Wai Qi Liao Fa) LIGHT, the raw creative fabric of the universe that is the breath of Tao / God / Spirit / whatever word you call it doesn't even begin to describe.
This harmony with LIGHT includes a path of service with humanity & all of the life on Earth, as well as in other worlds & dimensions. A part of our practice, in Stillness-Movement, is dreamtime work. What one finds is that "dreamtime" is not only when we are asleep.
I call that "dancing in wu wei in harmony with Light" the process of following & acting from "Listening".
A quick example of this. Last night, about 11, all of sudden I knew I needed to go check on some puppies. I have learned to never ignore this prompting. I got out there and one pup had gotten out and into some netting and was all tangled with no possible way out. He was very frustrated and scared but I projected calmness to him and he immediately and patiently waited for me to untangle him. Yes, a very simple act. But sometimes these simple acts are quite profound.
Drew posted something to the effect that the healing at this level is not a "technique". I think I would agree with that. It is it's own thing.
Personally, in terms of what one can feel, of course we can feel the simple qi circulating in our bodies. Of course we can, with a simple setting of intent, feel it go anywhere in our bodies. But this is the simple beginning stages. The system is geared at raising the energy body vibrational frequency to the level of Light. One CAN feel this process as it happens. One CAN feel each energy center as it opens, expands, and becomes balanced. One CAN feel, when it happens, the connection with HEAVEN and the connection with EARTH. One CAN feel the promptings of the Listening process in a distinct manner. One CAN learn to stay in this awareness 24/7.
In Stillness-Movement, we have sitting, standing, walking, sleeping, dreaming, energy pattern movements with shamanic shifting (Gift of the Tao), and running (which itself has 4 publicly talked about techniques of it's own which include Stamina, Lightness, Qi pushing, and Swiftness).
So how does all this not conflict(?) with what I have posted before on the concepts of Chinese medicine (one of the authors of "Between Heaven & Earth", Efrem Korngold, speaks of these exact same concepts):
1) Low Level - Physical
2) Mid-Level - Mental
3) High Level - Only one goal in mind: Help others find & fulfill their destiny (destiny here is defined as that which the other person has already chosen)
It doesn't conflict because helping one to harmonize with their level of their own inner true self IS in harmony with Tao, in harmony with "God's will", in harmony with the flow of energy between Heaven & Earth. In harmony with "Spirit's breath".
Master Wang Juemin was mentioned and a book quote about him was referenced.
Let me tell you a bit about him as a person.
I have never in my life met anyone like him. Not even close. His compassion for others, his gentleness backed up by his raw power, his ability to always remain calm, the glow of his energy body - all this was far beyond what I could possibly describe. When I first met him I could feel him even before I got off the train. I had felt a buzzing for quite some time even before the train stopped. And when I first shook his hand I was briefly thrown out of my body when he said "So good to see you again, my friend".
Master Wang endured hardships that most would not have been able to withstand. Shot up in a firefight with Japanese soldiers and in coma with gangrene (healed with medical qigong). Jailed for over 17 years. Tortured beyond what any have described - which he CALMLY told me about. He CALMLY told me of his wife and son being taken to far away labor camps. He only said "All of China was insane then".
Master Wang was recognized by his peers as one of the more accomplished qigong masters in China and was recognized as a Chinese National Treasure.
One of his friends was a famous acupuncturist. He told me stories of Master Wang's feats which I never heard of from his own lips. He gave me a picture he took of Master Wang naked climbing out of a lake - It was dated as January something. The climate there was way below freezing. He also told me of a Buddhist monk who came from a long way off to challenge Master Wang to a sitting duration. Master Wang refused, but this rogue monk stayed for several weeks, stirring up trouble in the town until it became a matter of "town pride" - not his own. In order to preserve calmness for the town, he did do the challenge, and sat for another day after the monk got up. At which point the monk left and no longer stirred up trouble.
Master Wang studied with and received transmissions from 5 of the top qigong/neigong masters of his time. He ran a 100 bed medical qigong hospital with an amazing result rate - the efficacy of his medical qigong was and is beyond amazing. I used these methods in-clinic with tremendous success. Now my students are having these same types of success.
The experience of raising the vibrational frequency of the energy body, of learning how to project calmness to others, of learning how to dance in the wu wei, of learning how to "Listen", of learning how to manipulate Light in harmony with Tao. This is my experience and understanding of what High Level neigong means.
Posted by Stigweard on 11 January 2008 - 04:34 AM
The structure is three lines:
I toss the pebble
Ripples distort the surface
Flowing back to self
Posted by chenplayer on 04 May 2013 - 10:40 PM
Ok, here I go. This is a plea to all the brother and sisters of the tao bums, we need to tone down the internal bickering. I know this is a forum and bickering and the occasional troll will pop up, but we have lost so much because we let it spread like a California wild fire. We had teachers like micheal lomax chime in with valuable information, or even some old members chiming in here it there. But, like in mister lomax's case, people complain that he charges for his teachings, or he dosen't look like a nei gong teacher and being called a fraud. People get banned, feelings get hurt, and we lose a valuable resource and poster.
More recently like the mo pai threads. We have people from the school chime in and give some clarification which turns into "is this story true about so and so?" Or "can you please tell us why westerners are no longer accepted?" Then bickering sets in, name calling and mud slinging and off goes more valuable information. Then we all complain why frauds or people with no experience come here and post. We invite them. We push all valuable persons away, because even if they do answer some one will log in say well that not what I heard and I was there for that and that did not happen. Then it turns out the person being asked questions is now defending himself. I mean why bother. They owe us nothing. We are seeking and when we are given something we either ask for more or just crap on the person who gave it to us.
Even potential teachers or people of knowledge who want to contribute can click on one link see WW3 happening and quickly change his mind. We need to work together to find the answers and if people are wrong correct them in a positive way. If they don't want correction ignore. We are shooting ourselves in the foot and slowly this place will turn into a troll heaven with little or no knowledge ever being shared. .
I love this place and I love you guys and girls, that why I want us just to help each other along cause we are all looking for the same thing.
Don't know if this will help or just create another troll thread. Hopefully it helps a little and we start treating each other like the practices we all love tell us to treat each other. With love and respect.
Peace and blessings.
Posted by Ya Mu on 10 February 2013 - 09:16 AM
Master Wang's 3 things necessary in order to advance in qigong which I have found to be absolutely true:
2) Be a good & moral person
3) Daily practice
Other lists could include:
1) Balance in your life. If you like to garden do that. If you like to play music, do that, etc. Balance is needed.
2) Laugh and enjoy yourself. We only spend, in the overall scheme of things, scant nano-seconds (no, actually less than that), here on Earth in a life. Get the most out of it.
3) Live each moment in appreciation of every thing that you are doing at that moment and be in the moment. In other words, when you eat an orange EAT The ORANGE instead of eating it while you are engaged in anything else. Apply this to EVERYTHING.
Posted by mjjbecker on 17 August 2011 - 12:58 AM
If the moderators are needed at all, and if the moderators feel compelled to act in order to censure members, then it is for us-the members-here to question our own behaviour and motives first.
Life is not 'fair'. Moderators are not perfect. Nor are forum members. Look first to your own behaviour before having a go at the moderators. There will be many people here, myself included, that could have taken a lot more care over what we have posted at times. We should spend our time dealing with our own behaviour first.
If you want to make the moderators redundant, then do so by not behaving in a manner that requires the moderators to act.
Posted by bamboo on 19 September 2013 - 12:17 AM
Qigong masters sharing their views of Meridians
This article was published in the monthly magazine "Qigong and Sport" in Xi'An, Shagxi province of China in the 1990s. In this article some Qigong masters who belong to different schools share their visions of the energy channels' system. Strikingly, their descriptions are very similar, which provides another evidence of some objective reality beyond our limited perception.
It is obvious that in our normal state of awareness it is impossible to perceive the energetic form of Qi directly. A University-trained Chinese medicine doctor can only assess the flow of Qi by analyzing the signs and symptoms - such as looking at the appearance of the patient, hearing the voice, palpating the pulse or observing the tongue. However, direct perception of Qi can be achieved by prolonged Qigong practice, involving meditation and careful self-observation. The ability to perceive Qi directly is termed as "internal vision" in Qigong. The accounts below come from advanced Qigong masters who mastered their internal vision and use it to help their student and patients.
General notes about the system of energy channels and circulation of Qi
An article by Zheng Jingyue, Zhang Jilian
"Internal tunnels" can only be seen with "internal vision". This is still true in the modern days. Using the methods of "penetration", "visual dissection" and "micro-vision" by means of the Eye of Wisdom [tian mu or "heavenly eye" between the eyebrows] we could see that the tunnels are actually far from being "tubes". The thinner ones are more like silver silk threads; the wider - resemble the stripes of light. Interweaving, they form a cobweb engulfing all our tissues.
In the cross-cut, the tunnels are circular-shaped or oval-shaped, however sometimes they are of irregular shapes, and the substance flowing through them is similar to the liquid crystals of the LCD displays.
In ordinary people this substance possesses relatively dense texture with scarce amount of more "dispersed" areas. It flows slowly and steadily. In those who practice Qigong, the texture is more light and clear and it flows faster, with ease. In the epicenters of disease the substance has highly dense and heavy texture, it is dark-colored and moves extremely slow, sometimes even showing signs of complete stagnation.
Once we were doing a group session of Qigong therapy with external Qi emission. During the session many patients began to perform some spontaneous body movements. One lady ceased her movements abruptly and "petrified" in a rather extraordinary posture. In order to find out what was the cause of this, we had to use "penetrative vision". It was found that although the wider channels were about 4-5mm in diameter and should not have been causing obstruction of the flow, the substance in the epicenter of her disease became almost solid. That was the reason why the lady was fixed in this posture. After two days of continued practice her reaction on the external Qi emission became normal. The "penetrative vision" showed that due to stimulating action of external Qi the flow of the substance through the affected area was restored.
The color of the substance contained in the energy channels may vary too. Depending on the level of a person's Qigong practice, it may be colored from white and red - up to the purple/violet.
Also, depending on the level of one's Qigong practice and the degree of "opening" of the Eye of Wisdom, every person may perceive the picture of the energy channels differently. That is why we cite not only our visions here, but also the visions of our colleagues.
Master Zhang Xiaoyang
Zhang Xiaoyang: "Energy channels exist in a fluid state and to the person who can use internal vision, they present themselves as light. This light is the Qi itself. I observed energy channels as a fluid flowing into pre-defined routes in the tissues of skin, muscles, internal organs and fascia. Without any external influence the fluid moves slowly and the movement is almost unnoticeable. As its movement follows the complete cycle that correlates with the cycles of Heaven and Earth, movement of the Moon and Sun, at any moment of time which we would take it looks steady, immobile. However this is not true.
If we needle any acupuncture point, within a short period of time Qi activates and its flow in the given area of the energy channel speeds up. The Qi in turn moves the fluid which starts moving through the passages of the energy channels. Once the fluid reaches the following acupuncture point, its movement stops for a short moment and during this time the point lights up like a little star. After that, the fluid carries on with its flow [through the channel].
To sum up my observations;
1) energy channels in the human body are located at different levels and depths.
2) the width of the energy channels varies depending on the person
3) the width of the channels also fluctuates depending on time
4) the width varies in different areas of the channel.
In particular, applying various needling techniques, the width and the speed of the Qi flow in the channel will change. Speed of the Qi usually increases with intense stimulation. In the case of broadening of the channel, external stimulation of the "biologically active" point leads to the change of the color of the point's radiance.
Points located on a single closed path, glow similarly to the bigger and smaller stars of various luminosity. "Larger" points such as Bai Hui, Jing Ming, Da Zhui and Zu San Li would correspond to the stars of the 1st grade of luminosity whereas smaller points - to the stars of the 2nd and 3rd grades. Every point accumulates certain amount of electric energy and influences the functioning of the energy channel, playing a role of a "pump", stimulating the flow of Qi-liquid through the muscle tissues.
Regarding the "central-median channel" [known as Sushumna in Indian Yoga - O.A.], there are no references to it in the ancient [Chinese] scriptures teaching of energy channels. However, during my Qigong practice and experiments with acupuncture, by means of internal vision I could see the channel leading from Bai Hui point down to Hui Yin point, forming straight line through the trunk.
At the beginner's stage of Qigong practice this channel is very thin and hardly seen at all. However with some improvement in practice it becomes wider and looks like a transparent column of red light. In ordinary people, the "central-median channel" exists as a dashed line coming through the internal organs."
Master Lu Xuezhi
Lu Xuezhi: "Energy channels represent another vital system of a human being. In healthy people they are transparent, free [of blockages] and full of light. In those who are exhausted and ill, the energy channels look drained, dried, fainted, and "knotted", and in the origins of diseases "plugs" can be seen.
The channels of those who practice Qigong are free, radiate bright light and filled with Qi. Qigong helps to utilize full potential of this another "vital system". Energy channels also serve as an important device providing the exchage of "informational energy" between the man and the nature. Subtle matter of nature, entering the "man's field" through the endings of energy channels in the skin, penetrates deeper into the channels and via this network distributes itself into internal organs and other parts of the body.
Energy channels also play role in breaking down and expelling harmful substances out of the body, and in the storage of the vital energy. They contribute towards keeping the organism healthy. Energy channels are able to convert the "subtle matter" of nature and "seminal Qi" accumulated in the internal organs into radiant crystallized substance and accumulate it within themselves. This accumulated energy in case of emergency or in need can be quickly discharged to replenish the lack of Zheng Qi ["upright" or anthipathogenic Qi] in the organs that underwent some pathological changes, or used to ward-off the external infection.
With the build-up of reserves of this "subtle matter" the person gradually becomes less dependent on food received through the digestive system. He/she will nonetheless have a continuous highly energetic supply that would fill all the organs and bodily structures with the "seminal Qi". As a result of these processes, the state of "refraining from food" spontaneously arises in the person - he/she stays healthy and full of energy while not taking the "gross" food.
Even if a person does not practice Qigong, his or her channel's Qi circulates anyway, although without any conscious control it just follows its natural way. If you try to use your will-power to change the natural flow, it will influence mainly the Yuan Qi (original Qi) which flows outside the channels. This intrusion without taking into account other relations in the energy body, may lead to an imbalance of the overall "Qi mechanics" and cause significant harm.
Opening of the Lesser Heavenly Circuit
In the course of diligent and regular Qigong practice, firstly Post-Heaven Qi [acquired after one's birth] and then Pre-Heaven Qi [given before the birth] begins to circulate through the energy channels. Breaking though the barriers of Wei-Lu, Jia-Ji and Yu-Zhen, it forms the ring of circulation along the Lesser Heavenly Circuit [also known as Microcosmic Orbit represented by Ren and Du Mai channels along the midline of the body - O.A.]. Those who have enough internal energy can "break through all barriers with a single arrow".
With the opening of the Lesser Heavenly Circuit, according to the principle "the water of the prominent rivers overflows into tributaries" 12 primary and 8 extraordinary vessels begin functioning. Following that, the rest of the "channel-sons" and "collateral-grandsons" regain their permeability so the "Greater Orbit" of the "Lesser Heavenly Circuit" is formed.
Internal Qi in the organism of a practitioner begins to ascend and descend freely, enter and leave, uninterruptedly circulate. This provides for spontaneous "Qigong training" 24 hours a day. There is a transition happening from the situation when the person trains "post-heaven Qi" to the situation when "pre-heaven Qi trains the person". Everything ill and harmful leaves the body. Transformation happens on the cellular, molecular and nuclear levels. The exchange of internal energy from largely chemical becomes atomic. The work of the vital system becomes more orderly, and a full re-birth of the body follows. The very foundation of life is strengthened.
Those who do not practice Qigong or only train the "post-heaven Qi" doing Qigong forms and sequences, cannot reach to the arrival of the "heavenly original Qi" and fullness of the internal Qi. In this case, there is not enough Qi to fill up the minor energy channels, which leads to stagnation. As a result, stimulation of blood capillaries weakens and 70-80% of them simply do not work. This in turn is reflected in the body metabolism which leads to inevitable [negative] manifestations in general well-being.
Not only blood capillaries are associated with the minor energy channels. In fact every pore on our skin is connected to them. If the True Qi (Zheng Qi) fills the channels, the "body breathing" starts to form and the person gains the ability to absorb "subtle matter" from the "human field" directly through the pores, in addition to the ordinary way of breathing through the lungs. The arrival of "body breathing" opens avenues to some deeper levels of achievement such as "restoration of the intra-uterine breathing", "leaving the senility and coming back to the childhood" [i.e. reversal of the natural processes of aging - S.S.].
The progression of Qigong practice
Regarding the Taoist concept of "internal circulation of civil and martial Qi" and "black and white channels" forming a curved line above the Du Mai (Governing vessel), the author and some of his students could observe them at a certain stage of their practice, after the appearance of the "central-median channel".
In the beginning of work with the "central-median channel", there is a sensation of a soft "tissue" of Qi, moving along the vertical line of the body. Then, the luminous tube is formed, stretching between Hui Yin point up to the nostrils, which later joins Fan Xue point in Bai Hui area [top of the head - O.A.]. Between the vertex and the perineum a vertical column is formed resembling a luminescent "daylight" lamp about 5mm in diameter. When the "wonder pearl" (Dan) starts moving through the channel, it changes its light from red to white. Following that, two channels appear by themselves respectively on the left and on the right. At first they are felt more like movement of the stream of Qi, and then start to emit the light by themselves.
With the absence of the "central-median channel" the Qi collected from the Cosmos comes through biologically active points and pores of the skin, and circulates through the surface of the skin which leads to the increase of its temperature.
After opening of the "central-median channel" and Fan Xue point, the Cosmic energy like a waterfall rushes into this channel, which instantaneously sparks up with golden light. When this light fills up the whole body, a person starts to feel a powerful warmth inside and outside. Sometimes this "luminous energy" penetrates the body and goes straight into the ground, connecting the Man with Heaven and Earth. Man, Heaven and Earth become an indivisible One.
Sometimes the "wonder pearl" ["dan"] appears, which descends down into the area of the perineum, drifts back into the "white channel" and comes up above the Du Mai vessel. Then it comes into the head and descends down the left channel. Once it reaches the perineum again, the "pearl" enters the "Black channel" and following above the Du Mai vessel, comes to the head again to descend down the right channel.
With the advance of the training level, the meridians, collaterals, the central-median channel and black and white channels constantly widen up and eventually merge with each other. The "luminous energy" fills up the whole body, the boundaries of the channels dissolve.
It is said that "Every inch of the body becomes a biologically active point, and the whole body becomes a Dan Tian". Thus the historic potential of the energy channel system is actualized. In the course of Qigong training it reaches its peak of development."
Original translation from Mandarin Chinese to Russian is done by S. Sergeyev, 1997. Russian translation can be found here.
Cross-translation from Russian to English is performed by Oleg Amiton, 2008
Posted by yulongbr on 11 July 2013 - 08:46 AM
I read this forum for many years, but this is the first time I write.
I’m doing it now because recently I have decided to participate in a workshop and the reviews I read here were fundamental to take that decision. So, it’s time to contribute.
My first contact with Michael Lomax’s teaching was when I bought his DVD, Gift of Tao I (GOT I) a couple of years ago. At that time I was looking for some standing moving qigong to complement my quiet sitting. The first time I watched the DVD, I did not like it. The form looked very loose to me and I put it aside. My mistake!
More than a year later, after I read the positive reviews on this forum, I gave it a shot and practiced it. The first time I practiced I felt a huge difference in the “air” around me. I was intrigued by the effects and I ordered his e-book from amazon. The first part of his book deals with his experience in shamanic practice and the second talks more about Daoist practice.
I felt connected with the main points about the Daoist practice and it was very close to what I’ve learned about the traditional method of cultivation in China.
1 – Stillness (exception for the spontaneous movement)
2 – Emptiness of the mind (letting go of the mind)
3 – Gentle gaze at the Dan Tian
4 – The opening of the channels should be a natural process.
5 – No real results will come without putting in much time & effort.
Even it is written in the book that this method requires an initial transmission, I started to feel very different while I was reading the book (a faraway metallic sound in my ears during the day, real focus on practice etc). Right away I started practice it, since it was not too different from my silent practice, the only exception was the hand position and no special breathing.
Making a long story short, I was looking forward for his next workshop, but I was unable to attend last year in Finland or the distance one early this year. I attended his last workshop in US, last June.
Here goes the Workshop Review:
The workshop was held in Springfield, Missouri, on June 22, 23 and 24 (Clinical day optional), at one of the Holiday Inn Hotel.
I arrived a couple of days earlier in the city and Michael was very thoughtful and sent me some indication for restaurants that I might like (I mentioned to him before that I like Asian-spice food) and requested his student to make contact with me. I had the opportunity to interact with 3 of them before the workshop, ask questions, hang out, dinner etc. They are very nice people, as all of the others students I interacted during the workshop.
Sometimes you go to a workshop and you see the students fighting between them, gossip about each other etc. I interacted with almost everyone and I felt like I was with family and friends. I mention it, because for me it says a lot about the teacher and also about the system.
The first day of the workshop started 9:00 am. I was the first one at the room and I can say the energy field inside it was very clear. It was very different from the rest of the hotel.
Michael and the rest of his students arrived and the workshop started in a very casual manner. He gave everyone a sandalwood soap, lectured a little about the effects of a few plants and how good they are to clean the energy. He made a lot of jokes and the vibe there was very good.
After that we started some warm-up with isometrics and a couple of the 8 pieces of brocade. One of his senior students was invited to demonstrate the GOT I, while all the others should follow.
Before the workshop I practiced GOT I from the DVD for about two months and it was great, but what I experienced there was fantastic. We were doing it much slower than the DVD, each movement was practiced for a long time while Michael and some of his senior student was correcting the rest. After a couple of movements you could feel the energy field changing even more, I was sweating a lot, all my pores seemed to be open.
After a little break to drink some water, we started to practice GOT II in the same manner. It is hard not to be amazed about those exercise. They are very simple, yet so powerful. The final sequence (Sequential Energy Center Activation, Balancing & Restoration) before the closing is the most powerful set that I’ve ever practiced. For me it is even better than GOT I and the rest of GOT II. Every time the energy descend, it gets stronger and stronger.
At the end of the morning session we did GOT III. I’ve never seen it before, so most of time I was trying to understand the movements, while Michael gave some hints about the energetic aspects. Even so, I felt the effects immediately.
Break time for lunch and then we did the stillness-movement practice for about one hour and forty minutes of sitting. Michael gave the group the transmission and this was the most intense part of the workshop for me. At the end I felt that was in some vast and soundless place. You see the hotel workshop room, but you do not feel you are there. Weird!
The first day was so intense to me that later that night during dinner, I had a hard time dealing with the energy inside of my body. After I eat, it started to calm down.
The next day before the workshop, I practiced the stillness-movement in my room. After a while my head naturally dropped a little and from nowhere the spontaneous movement started (I did not have any spontaneous movement during the transmission). I consciously stopped it, I was a little scared but it started again. Sometimes clockwise, sometimes counterclockwise, just right and left etc. I finished my practice thinking “WOW!!! What happened?”.
The second day we started with GOT I, II and III and it was also very energizer. Before we went outside to do practice with the tree, Michael requested their senior students to talk a little about their experience with the system and the healing aspects. Without any apparent reason, I felt a strong urge to cry like a baby. Their testimonies were beautiful, but the urge was not related with what they were talking, but with something that I do not know. I hold it until the class was dismissed and then I went to restroom to cry. Michael and one of his senior students were there and they approached me very gently. Michael put his hand on my chest, talked with me and I felt a great relieve after that.
After lunch we had more GOT III, demonstration about Daoist Medicine and one more sitting session with transmission. It was Rock n Roll all over again.
The third day we learned and practiced Medical Qigong on each other. I have a pain in one of my fingers from a stick fight, when I used to practice Kali-Silat. After the treatment it was much better, about 70%. One of the students felt a great relieve on hers hamstrings and you could see in her face how impressed she was. At the end we learned Daoist Medicine and was time to say goodbye. I’ve never thought about do healing, but the material was a great eye opener.
It was a terrific workshop and I look forward to join the next one. I have been in China a couple of times practicing sitting meditation and I’ve never been able to experience such high energy in only two days.
Michael is not only a powerful and accessible teacher, but a very cool guy.The energy he brings is really powerful. The feeling I have after practicing it, is quite different, is like being in a vast space, empty and soundless.
Posted by rex on 09 November 2006 - 06:59 AM
Posted by Trunk on 09 November 2013 - 10:47 AM
Moderation has to be equal for all members, all levels, regardless of labels in or out of TTBs. This had to be all public, out in the open, clear. Sometimes things can be properly handled privately. This had become a large open community event: it had to be handled publicly.
Moderation action towards a moderator or steward does not imply that they are ejected from the team (though suspension does necessarily mean a vacation from staff duties). Same for me: If I lose my cool and start personally attacking people, I'd tag viator or sean to take over for me for some period of time ... and it wouldn't mean that I couldn't come back and resume my role after a vacation. We're all people.
Posted by Apech on 11 April 2011 - 02:06 PM
Why do you continue banning valued members & locking interesting threads !
You are the only one turning people away from this forum with your high & mighty attitude. I wont be returning until your position is reviewed.
Well, when I banned some folks I got 6 + points from members and this time when I locked a thread I got four. So I guess I felt encouraged by this.
Seriously I am doing what I and the Mod Team think is best for the forum - if anyone has a constructive critique of what I am doing I am willing to listen and learn. But if you are just going to hurl insults like 'weak, cry baby and spoilt brat' then farewell and good luck.
Posted by TheSongsofDistantEarth on 23 January 2011 - 08:32 AM
Little by little, wean yourself.
This is the gist of what I have to say.
From an embryo, whose nourishment comes in the blood,
move to an infant drinking milk,
to a child on solid food,
to a searcher after wisdom,
to a hunter of more invisible game.
Think how it is to have a conversation with an embryo.
You might say, "The world outside is vast and intricate.
There are wheatfields and mountain passes,
and orchards in bloom.
At night there are millions of galaxies, and in sunlight
the beauty of friends dancing at a wedding."
You ask the embryo why he, or she, stays cooped up
in the dark with eyes closed.
Listen to the answer.
There is no "other world."
I only know what I've experienced.
You must be hallucinating.
-translated by Coleman Barks
Posted by Marblehead on 05 September 2013 - 01:49 AM
Yep. Wrong impression. Hehehe.
One of Lao Tzu's Three Treasures is Compassion.
In one of Chuang Tzu's stories he tells of returning home to find a robber stealing his clothes and responds that he wished only that he had more clothes that the robber could have.
But we don't "practice" compassion. That is contrived and not true compassion. In Taoism compassion arises naturally when we attain a state of knowing when we have enough and we can share our excess with others, with no thought of anything in return. Giving is not restricted to just material things but things of the mind as well. Wishing one well even after they have pissed you off.
So, it is my opinion that if one constantly talks about how compassionate they are they are only feeding their own ego and even though they might be doing good things for others it is mostly doing it for their own gratification.
Posted by safi on 17 January 2013 - 05:23 PM
I joined this forum because of an interesting thread that I read on semen retention, a practice which I am practicing and which has brought me great results. I was going to post this on the same thread, but this post has plenty of detail and is not just about celibacy. Other than that I could use this thread as a journal which will help people.
Anyway, today is my 136th day of semen retention and let me tell you right now that it certainly does have its benefits. To be more precise, it is what the hindus call "brahmacharya" which I am practicing and not just semen retention. Merely abstaining from ejaculation will not get you very far. I tried that several times and while my health and confidence did improve, the benefits were nothing compared to the benefits of real celibacy.
Let me tell you my story...
About a year ago I realized that I was living a very unhealthy lifestyle and not surprisingly I was not happy. I also suffered from low self-esteem, mild depression, anxiety etc... so I decided to make a change. I thought that the causes for my unhappiness were my addictions, so I quit smoking, drinking, processed food and sweets (and other things with sugar which is addictive). I quit these things gradually, and one by one, not all at once. It was hard but in the end, I managed to pull it off. I felt much better after quitting, both mentally and physically, but unfortunately I didn't reach the level of happiness that I was aiming for. So I started searching more on the internet for information which would hopefully make my life better, until one day I came upon an article that claimed masturbation was a bad thing and that it caused several problems amongst men.
Initially I found the article a bit funny and didn't take it seriously but after doing some research I came to the conclusion that masturbation might actually be harmful to health and sexual abstinence beneficial. Long story short I decided to give abstinence a try. I masturbated at least twice daily prior to this experiment and had been doing so for more than a decade. After abstaining for a few days, I became much more energetic (which I had expected) and felt better. I felt so much better that I said to myself that I won't masturbate again, but unfortunately, I failed. The sexual desire was too strong. On the bright side, I experienced something important that day... the weakening effect that comes after ejaculation. Years of frequent masturbation had caused my body to lose its sensitivity to the debilitating effect that comes afterwards, but now that I was abstinent for a few days I could feel it. The energy that I had gained withered away and it took me a few days of abstinence to regain it.
I kept practicing... normally I would manage to hold out for about a week, and then fall until I managed to hold out for about a month. I thought I had managed to conquer sexual desire, until one day I became sexually aroused a lot and fell. It was devastating! After ejaculation I would always feel my energy leaving me but this time it was much more intense. I literally felt as if my blood was being sucked out of me! Also, my mind became kind of dull. I could give much more details but I'll make it short... I felt pathetic, compared to the way I felt before, and what's more, I felt like an animal in heat and masturbated again a few times to vent out my frustration, which ended up making me even more frustrated. But, something good did come out of this! Previously my goal was to reduce sexual activity, now my goal was to eradicate this addiction like I had done with others.
After all, it's much better to quit an addiction than to reduce it. If you smoke, try to reduce smoking and see how long it lasts. In time you'll probably end up smoking just as much as before, so you're much better off quitting it. I realized that 1) Sexual abstinence certainly had positive effects on my body and 2) To quit I needed to control my desire for sex (purify myself). You see up until that day I was only abstaining from ejaculation through sheer will. I still thought about sex and watched porn daily. Sometimes I even masturbated and quit before reaching ejaculation. So I was back to square 1, but this time, I touched myself only to urinate, and whenever a sexual thought sprang up, I let it slip without indulging in it.
The first few days of doing this were very difficult but after a while I got used to it. Fast forward to today... this is my 136th day of real celibacy and my sexual desire is almost completely under my control. I doubt I will fall again now and I hope not, because the benefits are amazing. I wouldn't have given sex up if it wasn't for the massive benefits, both physically and spiritually. Let me show you what I've experienced.
Physical & Mental Benefits:
I had pretty bad eyesight and I started to see a little bit better after starting the practice. Initially I ignored it and thought it was my imagination since I had read about this before, but after I was well into it, there was no denying it because my eyesight recovered completely. My vision is no longer blurred at all. I compared my vision with a relative who has good eyesight by reading words from afar, and my vision was just as good as his.
More Courage/Less Fear & Anxiety
This benefit is also unmistakable. I was quite cowardly before starting this practice. In fact it was one of the reasons that made me look for options to improve my life. I used to feel scared and anxious frequently but not anymore. I'm not talking about a type of fear in particular, but all types. I'm becoming immune to them. This is the most important mental benefit for me. I feel so manly and strong mentally.
Hasn't stopped completely but it has definitely been reduced, and the pimples that grow are not as large as the ones that used to grow before I was continent, not to mention they don't last as long. I doubt this is a coincidence.
More facial hair
Even though I'm in my early 20s my facial hair has not fully grown yet. Before starting I could only grow a mustache, a soul patch and some hair on my chin. Now I have hair on my neck, sides and much more hair on my chin. At this rate I just might be able to grow a full beard after a year. Again, I doubt this is a coincidence, especially after considering that my facial hair has been growing very slowly for the past few years. There has definitely been a boost.
Skin looks better
It has a sort of "glow" which it didn't not have before. I was very pale before and now my skin kind of shines... it's more lively.
Sharper Mind/Better Memory
My mind is definitely sharper. I understand things much more quickly now than I used to before and I'm much more alert. It is very important to note though, that initially the practice of celibacy caused the opposite effect. It was only after my body got used to celibacy that my mind calmed down and became sharper. Every now and then I also remember some memories which I had forgot.
Those are the physical and mental benefits which I have experienced. There are also some benefits which I think are spiritual. It's important for you to know that when I started celibacy I started getting into spirituality and I read several books and scriptures of taoism, hinduism, buddhism etc... I was not into spirituality before I started celibacy. After reading several texts I decided to practice "mental emptiness" along with sexual abstinence. Basically you need to stop thinking, or better yet, let thoughts slide, without "grabbing" them. An indian guru called Ramana Maharshi recommends a similar practice called self-inquiry and says you can achive realization with it (which is my goal now).
This practice was ideal for me because I was already doing it to some extent with sexual thoughts. As I said earlier I started to "empty" my mind from sexual thoughts to succeed with celibacy. Now I started to do the same thing with most thoughts whenever I could. Basically the theory is that thoughts are related to chi/prana and if you still your mind the process of enightenment will start happening on its own, granted you have enough chi (which gets wasted by sexual activity).
The spiritual experiences that I experienced in order are these:
(These benefits were experienced by practicing sexual abstinence and mental emptiness as well)
After about a month or so I started to feel a sort of blissful heat or warmth near my heart but in the middle. At first I thought this was tummo but now I don't think so. Supposedly tummo is felt in the navel area and not the heart. Anyway, by stilling my mind the heat increased and I felt more relaxed.
Cold & Bliss
As times passed by I stopped feeling the heat and started feeling a cold blissful feeling instead. The reason I put these 2 together is becase I feel them at the same time, even though they are different. I feel it in the same place, the heart area and the feeling gets more intense when I still my mind. This is a great blissful feeling that makes me very happy. It's sort of like the pleasure you get from sex. More refined but not as intense. The main difference of course is that I feel it continously and it energizes me, unlike sex which lasts a few minutes and leaves you debilitated afterwards. This is the main reason I have no intention of breaking my celibacy.
Once I was meditating and felt a cool breeze on my face. It was as if someone blew on my face. At first I blamed the wind, even though the room I was in was closed, but later on the frequency of these "blows" increased. I also started to feel this breeze/wind on the palms of my hands. This pleasant refreshing breeze has remained with me and it has somewhat refined itself.
Those are the spiritual benefits that I have experienced. As I said the heat has left me, so right now I can feel the bliss along with cold (a mild blissful cold, not annoying) and the cool breeze. I have tried to find out why the heat was replaced with cold. There was a story in Yoga Vasistha which said that prana leaving its heat turns to apana and then leaves its cold to rise up again. Maybe that's what's happening to me.
Anyway, whatever's happening to myself is good. I feel much better about myself and I certainly do recommend celibacy, not just semen retention, but celibacy or better yet brahmacharya. Remember though that my success is not only due to abstinence but also due to "mental emptiness". It seems abstinence saves the "seed" which serves as fuel and "mental emptiness" sort of administers the transformation. A very important taoist text which I read which describes a process similar to mine is the secret of the golden flower.
There probably are some minor details and also benefits which I forgot to mention. If I remember I'll post them.
Anyway, I hope you find this post useful and I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.
Posted by Practitioner on 08 July 2012 - 12:17 AM
Is this master interested in showing you in any of the stuff he can do? No. Is it likely that he would teach you this stuff? No. This man would rather hide from the media and from such amounts of attention because he's learned in the past that once you expose yourself all kinds of nutso's come out from the waterworks.
The reason why masters with such large amounts of powerful qi are not keen to show forth what they're capable of is because once it gets out, it attracts such a large amount of crazy ass people - power hungry crazy ass nutjobs who think that they're going to be the next sith lord, world messiah or demigod martial artist.
You can see why Mo Pai attracts such a large number of people who are hungry for nothing but power like the OP. Such a large number people who think of the money fame and the power. People who want to be more "special" than all the rest of us. The funny thing is that none of these systems work that way. It is karma which is the deciding factor. Most people do not possess the innate amount of talent to make progress. Check Magus of Java - you will see that John's old master saw his karma - that he had the "gift". Not even if the full system was laid bare before you would you be guaranteed of any progress. People like John are one in a million. If you look at Jim's group of mo pai aspirants which numbers in the hundreds, you'd be hard pressed to find a handful who are past level 1. Many have been practicing a number of years and just given up. What does this tell you?
Most higher level masters just keep silent and wait and see who has the karma good enough to bump into them, and most of all they do not show what they are haphazardly. They don't want the drama and a thousand master-of-the-universe wannabes knocking on their doors all looking to exploit this kind of stuff one way or the other. John's old master was a recluse who verily did not show off, or reveal himself for what he was. What does this tell you? They dont need the attention, and all the drama that comes from wannabe sith lords or people who want to put the shit on 50 dvd's and charge you 99.95 for each one.
As Mo Pai is now closed to outsiders, one would believe that John has learned his lesson by now.
Posted by ॐDominicusॐ on 08 August 2013 - 01:21 PM
What's up fellow Bums? Been busy w/ work, life, and practice, but I did promise a few months back based on another thread that I would interview a Christian Monk that I am friends with, in regards to Christianity being a legit Path into Enlightenment, Tao, Union w/ God, The Supreme State, Mu, whatever you want to call it.
As far as I go, I have had various experiences practicing Christianity, various forms of Buddhism, Nonduality, Zen, Koans, Vedic Techniques, Kundalini Yoga, Tai Chi, Qi Gong, and am basically a Universalist for the most part, so I am not here to impart any bias one way or another.
While he wished to remain anonymous because he is from a very strict and popular Monastery, he does mention some interesting things that many of his fellow "brothers" may not have agreed with. Hence the anonymity.
Is Christianity basically working on Enlightenment, Absolute Truth, Tao, Supreme, State, etc? Basically what all the Other Eastern paths are teaching/working on?
"Yes. If you look at Anapanasati as practiced in some parts of Buddhism, the point of the practice is to strengthen/realize Awareness itself, as well as what lies at the bottom of the breath(that's a little hint for you by the way since I know you're also working on this). That Awareness is the key to unlock the rest of the doors. When The Ego is detached from, you remain as Awareness, and then can merge with the Source of Awareness which is what everyone is working on, the Source being the same as what everyone is calling it by different names."
How does the Christian access Awareness and Detachment from Ego?
"There are a number of ways, but I will cover two of the most important. The first is the ritual of Baptism, which simply activates Grace. Once Grace comes over you, it is a direct experience and a living presence that indwells you from the top of your head and instantly gives you The Timeless Now, Transcendence, Detachment, Destroys the Ego, activated divine Love, and all that's left is you as Awareness devoid of everything else. Then just surrender and let go and you as Awareness will merge with the Source. There is then no more you to be found anywhere, but are also United with everything and everywhere at the same time.
As far as the first part above goes, there may still remain some fragments/pieces of ego left over that continue to stir up. With that, we do the Jesus Prayer focused on the Heart area where the access to the Source is. By doing the Jesus Prayer on this specific area, several things are accomplished. The ego is not only busy with the prayer, but also awareness learns pure concentration while ignoring all other subconscious arisings. Eventually, Awareness realizes the Source of thought and enters into it. The place is a few inches to right of the Heart. With Awareness resting at the Source of thought, eventually the whole Ego/Subconscious mechanism is pulled at the root and only Spontaneous Union and Grace remain."
Do many Monks reach these states that you speak of?
"Of course not. As with all institutions, there are members at various levels of growth and realization. There are also various ego games, traps, arguments, politics, and some who never reach perfection. However, with many elders deep in various levels of the perfected state, they tend to oversee selflessly the rest of the flock, and many times their own infused energies of higher states are enough to get the beginners started on their own path."
So there is such a thing as Infusing others with various activations that help them along?
"Yes of course. When you are in close proximity with an Elder who is far on the stage of perfection, their own Awareness is so expanded, it literally has an effect on your own. That's what Halo's are in all the Spiritual paintings, not just in Christianity but also in Hindu-Vedic depictions and also those of Buddha himself. The Halo is just the inner Awareness that is you, prior to ego and body. It eventually expands beyond the head and many times you can see it on the elders."
Are all those other Paths legit as well? Why did you choose Christianity instead of other paths?
"There are many Universal similarities in all the paths. Detachment, Awareness, the Source, Discipline, Wisdom, Knowledge, and an Absolute Truth that can be experienced which is the prior underlying reality of all of reality.
I tried various paths as a young man and college student and ended up staying with Christianity because the direct experiences and Grace came really fast for me. It took about a year of seriously getting into it that I started to experience ego death, the Now, Transcending all things (body, ideas, thoughts, self). Everything happened really fast through Grace. Some of the other paths I tried, I was getting experiences but they were at a snails pace. All that to say, I am not trying to discredit any of the other paths."
Some people say Christianity is just a go-to-Church feel good about yourself singy songy wishy washy type of Religion where the majority of followers don't get any huge internal breakthrough's.
"That happens with many paths. They eventually get watered down and become a facade of their former selves. Aren't various forms of hot-room Yoga's the hottest(pun intended) pop-forms of exercise in America these days? That's just one example.
The actual Yoga (meaning Union, or to Unite with the Source) is a very advanced system of remaining Aware of the Body and Mind in the midst of various poses, all leading back to strengthening Awareness. One of the benefits of Yoga is that you may come across physical attributes that are tied to the workings of the Ego such as various physical knots or childhood traumas that can be released during certain stretches. Just as well, the channel that the Ego uses to take it's place as a veil over Awareness can also be opened during Yoga practice.
So in essence, many of the Christian Monasteries, or even lay hermits, are genuinely working on inner planes through various degrees, techniques, practices, and Grace...all of which eventually lead to Tao, Source, God, Supreme, Absolute whatever you want to name the Nameless direct experience.
Christianity has also become a watered down fast food western version of preaching, singing, and one hour a week of service. To really have breakthroughs, requires lengthy time spent in practice, detachment, prayer, meditation, etc. When Jesus went into the Desert for 40 days, that is something every Christian should do. 40 days in any retreat or wilderness will bring out the worst of the ego, the perfect opportunity to see that it isn't you and detach from it as Awareness."
Did Christ exist and are his teachings real?
"When Buddha said not to take his word for it and to see if what he says is true through direct experience, the same thing applies to the teachings of Christ. We put his teachings into practice and eventually start experiencing fascinating states directly for ourselves. You yourself are the experiment, the laboratory for testing to see what happens. When you start to experience the same things Christ taught, that tends to solidify his existence. Also, many Monks adore the Gospel of Thomas. If you read that Gospel, many of the sayings there are very Nondual sounding and tends to link back to everything else in the East. He speaks about alot about Oneness that is experiential"
What about faith? I had a fellow argue with me that Christians have to use Faith and that since Faith is of the Ego, it's dealing with illusions of the mind
"You only use faith for a little while, say agreeing to trust in, or have faith that this path may possibly take me where I want to go. Once you do experience the things you were looking for within and without, then there's no need for Faith because at that point there's no other choice then to directly live from direct experience of the Absolute.
A person who tries any other path, you can say technically, is also using a form of Faith in it. If a person looks into Zen, and all of it makes logical, reasonable, and intuitive sense, well then they take the leap of faith(again technically speaking) and jump in head first.
Scientists also have Faith in the Scientific method. However it's dated and based on physicality as a rule that has its own sets of rules and limits. One of those rules being that an experiment has to be replicated/repeatable. However, some experiments, by their very nature, can never be repeated. In that case they are tossed aside as anomalies, however those anomalies can also be legitimate things.
Take for example this very moment right now. If there was a room full of scientists, they would clearly be able to observe and agree on this present moment, would agree it exists, would be able to record it, examine it, and pull up tons of data on it. However, once this moment is gone, that's it!!!! They can't ever reexamine it again or recreate it. So according to their own rules of the scientific method, reality itself is a anomaly. But I digress"
What about Christ saying he's the only way?
"Look at the context with which he's saying that. He's talking to a bunch of jews stuck in judaism, a path that does not lead to Enlightenment. Jewish Mysticism does start to touch on some of the subjects we have already discusses, but I'm talking about the normal Judaism of the day. Jesus is telling them to leave their dead ways and that his example and teachings are the only way to find what they are trying to find. It's basically a command in the heat of the moment.
If you look at what his Way is, it's a combination of ego death, enlightenment, Grace, Love, empathy, compassion, Tao, Absolute, Supreme, etc. So anyone who is working towards that goal is already following his path.
One of the factors of Christianity that is interesting that is not found that much in many other paths is that of Ego-Death through Grace by the Holy Spirit entering the top of the head and opening all the channels and illuminating Awareness, while detaching all else. I believe I've come across something similar in my studies of Kashmir Shaivism. Also some people claim that Kundalini is the Holy Spirit, however I'm not to sure about that as Kundalini tends to be from the perenium and up the spine to the crown, whereas the Holy Spirit enters the head and goes down tot he feet. I would have to brush up on my studies however by researching the word Grace and it's existence in all the other paths
On many occasions here during various services, you can feel the Spirit moving around the grounds and rooms of the Monastery. It enters you when you least expect it and slays or burns off any remaining ego fragments and fills you with divine transcendent Love & Bliss as a replacement. "
So the Christian Path is a legit path towards Enlightenment?
"Why yes of course. I understand you intend to share this discussion with a few brothers and sisters that are Buddhists and of various other paths. If they are already deep in their practice and making headway, then good for them, as it is exactly what Christ was all about.
The one thing I feel is necessary to say is that Eastern Christian practice as done in the Eastern Orthodox monasteries is a complete system from beginning to end. I say that, because I found early on that in many other paths, you can merge with the Source, however there still remain ego fragments and the whole of the subconscious stirring up constantly and causing troubles for the rest of one's life. In our school, through the Jesus prayer, all of that is eventually snuffed out and there is a completion stage of perfection where even the body is transformed and filled with light flowing through all the opened channels.
So there's a start and there's and end and can all be done in this lifetime. Of course the rest of life remains as a practice of making available to others the energies and Union that is within you by going out to the world and sharing the Light"
Anyway, I have a lot more to the interview, but these main q&a's were the most interesting. As far as I go, all my interest in enlightenment, health, channels, tai chi, light body, ego death, and so forth he covered for me.
Some things he mentioned, I have experienced through Christianity, while other things he mentioned to have been experiencing, I came across them after battles with koans, vipassanna, nondual inquiry, zazen, etc.....
just wanted to put that out there cause I personally see it as a legit path equal to that of the others. But there were some folks on here adamant that it's all bull. I think the perspective of my Monk friend who has been in the depths for a good two decades know and also comes from a similar background of having studied and tried various paths, gives us a cool internal perspective.
Enjoy!!!! (sorry for spelling as everything is transcribed and quickly typed from a telephone recording!!!!)