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#293982 Living proof that qigong works!

Posted by spiraltao on 21 September 2011 - 07:46 PM

Ok, I must start this story in 2008, I was diagnosed with a liver disease that I don't care to name and the last stage of cirrohsis. The doctors done two different biopsi, but told me my liver was already too bad to take interfuron/riboviran combo. So I decide to go back to what had helped me get through the toughest times of my life, MARTIAL ARTS.

My old sifu had moved back after seventeen years and I seen him on youtube, so I called and told him my situation. I remember telling him "I am at rock bottom, teacher." He said, "THAT IS WONDERFUL! There is only one way to go and that is UP." This gave me some hope.

He introduced me to circle walking. I started to feel a bit less lethargic and my anger issues began to subside. I kept getting hepatic panels ran on a monthly basis and my enzymes and billirubin levels began to drop. The doctor at the University of KY told me that my liver tests would NEVER be normal again. He said that I might be able to lower them, but would never read as a healthy liver.

To make a long story a bit less long, I stuck to my training. I learned the eight mother palms and my inside and outside changes. In Feb I met Zerostao and he introduced me to some bagua qigong. Until this I had only been doing ZZ standing as chi kung. Zerostao introduced me to the iron shirt form and the single and double palm changes among other things that I have covered in my training log.

I made sure to play my bagua every day and actually think I know what song means!

Well, fast forward to last Friday, I had another hepatic panel done.

My sister is a AARNP (nursing practitioner) and she simply couldn't believe what she seen. She at first thought that my labs had gotten mixed up. They were the labs of a man with a healthy liver!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES! I NOW HAVE THE PROOF IN BLACK AND WHITE!

I AM PROOF THAT CHI KUNG IS REAL AND IT WORKS! I never had any doubt, but others were skeptical in the family but being that kung fu has been a passion of mine since I was four they were used to the combat part, but had never heard of learning to fight to improve your health, as my dad puts it.

THIS POST GOES OUT TO THE EVERY TAO BUM THAT HAS HELPED ME. ...and to Zerostao for leading me to this wonderful place. I feel at home now.

I can do ANYTHING with proper guidance and this is only the beginning. Where as before I really wondered if I would live to see my daughter graduate high school.

I am not being arrogant, but I feel better than I have since I was in my early twenties and I just slapped a cap block with no warm up to see if my metal element was still in order. Yeah, it broke with ease and my friend said the slap looked nearly effortless.

There is no way to hide my excitement and express the joy in my heart with words.

I must thank my god, my sifu, Zerostao, Lao Xie, Ray Carbullido, Kent Howard, Kenneth Cohen and Dr. Yang Jwing Ming and Master Liang Shou Yu. Not mention Frank Allen. Each person listed above played a pivotal role in my transformation.

#327185 Semen Retention: 100 Days and My Experiences

Posted by OldChi on 10 March 2012 - 07:00 AM

I accomplished the 100 days of conserving Jing and thought i would share my experiences on what i feel to be a very beneficial practice. Note this post is directed towards men, i have no experience of conserving jing as a women...at least in this life.

There are three possible outcomes of Jing conservation.

1. You give in to fantasies and release your Jing...thus failing
2. You become a very angry and irritable person for 100 days
3. You become a Dynamo of energy and grow in strength and power in every area of your life

I have experienced all three of these outcomes when i attempted to conserve Jing in the past. Therefore there are 2 qualities that are required to conserve Jing successfully: Mental Clarity and Emotional Stability. Both qualities are complementary to each other.

If you do not have Mental Clarity then you will lose to your fantasies. If you do not have Emotional Stability then you will end up getting very angry and saying and doing dumb shit. Being grounded is very important in this practice.

The first couple of weeks are perhaps the most difficult because your not used to the increased Vitality and Horniness that comes with the practice but... eventually your energies plataeu and you will get used to it.

Mental Clarity becomes even more important as the 100 days go by because i have found that if you fantasize during the day but still don't release Jing...those fantasies will carry over to your sleep and it will find a way to release itself during dream-time. All of these qualities are built upon a certain level of maturity that has been reached through cultivation.  

Benefits of Semen Retention

Conserving Jing really is a fantastic practice. When you conserve your sexual energy it really is amazing how powerful you become in your own life...but in order to conserve jing effectively and use it to your benefit you must learn how to channel the inner fire. If fire is not channeled properly then you will be come an extremely agitated person.  

When conserving Jing it has been my experience that instead of exploding your sexual energy though your dick it will start exploding inwards and manifest in your everyday life. Everything i did developed a new level of intensity and involvement...I became more productive and motivated in all areas of my life: i did better in school, chi-gung, and in my interpersonal relationships.

People often wonder how great cultivators can dedicate 8 hrs a day to cultivating...but when you have so much excess sexual energy your whole being wants to DO DO DO.  

You feel like you have so much energy that you can do anything...and this energy must be channeled into something be it your esoteric practice or you building a business. You become a great tool of manifestation...all you need do is choose something to DO. But if you don't properly channel it into something it can drive you crazy.  

Perhaps the most important of all the things i learned while cultivating is that when the mind is not constantly bickering then conserving your Jing becomes a natural state. When you discipline the monkey mind then conserving is easy...for those whom struggle too conserve and find that they can't.....go back to the drawing board....sit...and continue developing clarity....when you approach this practice with a reasonable level of clarity...then it is as easy as breathing.


As a side not i'd say that conserving Jing along combined dual cultivation is in many ways a superior practice than celibacy...but one that takes a very high level of discipline and self-control.

On the other hand Celibacy paired with conserving is better for those that wish to not develop any attachments and do not want to be tied down by a partner (ascetics). In such cases it is a simpler and much better practice to cultivate.


I am coming back to edit this post because when i first wrote it i was ignorant of the fact that actually having a spiritual practice for transmutation of jing was so important....i did not realize this simply because i was already practicing my Nei-Gong very intensively and had never conserved without it.

Having a transmutation practice is very important in order to effectively channel the built up sexual energy. If you don't already have a spiritual practice then some simple practices for this purpose are Meditating on the Lower Dantien or The Microcosmic Orbit. Both meditations can be found readily available online and are discussed in this thread.

-My 2 cents, Peace

#284138 The effects of my Nei kung practice

Posted by Encephalon on 18 August 2011 - 10:01 AM

About five years ago I was working at a gym in LA, working out 15 hours a week and squeezing in morning yoga classes. It seemed that my efforts to heal the disconnect between body and mind were finally paying off, and I was certain that my life would henceforth be divided into two grand epochs; before yoga and after yoga.

Then my shoulder joints turned to balsa wood.

But before that happened, back in September of 2008, I had the good fortune of getting Nei kung instruction.  I am relieved to know that in a city with dozens of opportunities for studying Chi kung I was able to zero in on Nei kung as my formal introduction to Taoism and internal alchemy. The fact that the studio was only 30 minutes from my house also figured in my decision.  I now divide my life between pre-Nei kung and post-Nei kung.

Since Nei kung is on one level a body/mind discipline it can be cumbersome to make distinctions between physical and mental progress, but I’ll make the attempt for clarity’s sake.  I am clearly more coordinated. As a kid, I was never the last one picked for the team, but I was rarely the first one, either. I didn’t really get in touch with my inner athlete until I became a runner three years after sobriety and then began to dabble with strength training, tae kwon do, and yoga as I got older.

Since Nei kung works on the level of the nervous system, virtually every physical skill is affected, whether it’s tossing rubbish into a waste basket 12 feet away or reducing the asymmetrical nature of kicks and punches between the left and right sides of the body. So, a weaker roundhouse kick with my right leg is now just as powerful as my once stronger left leg is. Same with punches.

I’ve struggled with maintaining my energy level following major shoulder surgery in February of this year, but without Nei kung I would have been significantly reduced in vitality at this point. My physical therapist told me he had never seen such a remarkable recuperation of a total shoulder joint replacement surgery so quickly.  The fact that I did only Nei kung, and jettisoned his assigned PT exercises (too boring!) is a testament to the healing power of this practice. Six months following surgery, I am once again training with my beloved kettlebells and regular sets of push-ups. Sadly, benching and deadlifting are history. :(

My most informed estimate is that my progress with chi flow is consistent with the rest of the practicing population. When I began I was extremely fit and extremely relaxed, and all the focus on mind/muscle connection while lifting weights naturally availed itself to feeling chi. I remember the sheer joy, just a few months after joining TTB, when the incipient signs of chi flow manifested in my finger tips. (Trunk, you were there for me with some high-quality feedback that I will always be grateful for!)  

At the one-year point, with a little help from Gary Clyman’s DVDs, the meridians in my arms and torso were opening nicely but I was becoming grossly overheated.  My face broke out in dry patches and blemishes and my chest and face felt like a space heater.  Only with acupuncture treatments and herbal preparations did this subside.  Of course, I put Clyman’s practices on hold as well.  The reefer madness didn’t help either.

At the two-year point, my leg meridians began to wake up. I found Robert Bruce’s “Energy Work” extremely helpful in opening up the feet and legs and to this day, when I run my energy in meditation, my feet still vibrate in the same pattern I used in Bruce’s practice.  To feel the chi course down from the heel and wash over the digits, little toe first, feels like a reflexology treatment from the inside out; really nice.

After frying my circuits with Clyman’s Fire energy practice, I switched over to the Water Method and began Bruce Frantzis’ Dissolving meditation about two years ago. If time permits, I try to do this immediately after my morning Nei kung run, but as long as I commit to two daily sessions the chi flow stays strong. (I have just recently posted how I rectified an imbalance between my calcium and magnesium intake and how this has resulted in a quicker, stronger, more responsive chi flow almost overnight.)  At this three-year point, I can manipulate the energy at will throughout my entire body, and assume that I’ll be focusing on specific meridians and organs soon, starting with the kidneys, which really do kind of sit back there, singing and smiling.  This level of proficiency seems consistent with what I’ve read in books and online as intermediate, but I’m due for a Nei kung checkup soon.

The literature on these physical phenomena is abundant. What seems scarcer is material relating the mental benefits of Nei kung practice.  Most of it seems limited to generic notions of increased calm, focus, and concentration and this has been my experience also but the single most obvious effect of Nei kung on me emotionally is a dramatic dissolution of self-loathing and self-criticism, what is referred to in 12-Step groups as “stinking thinking.”  I'm in no position to offer an explanation of how the biomechanics of Nei kung practice reduce and dissolve negative mental states except to cite the obvious and well documented effects of a tuned up endocrine system that pumps out less “fight or flight” hormone and more “rest and digest” hormone. I think the subject of the emotional healing of Nei kung practices is going to be robust in the years to come, the same way that the dialog of the last 60 years between Buddhists and western psychologists has revealed the healing effects of meditation.

My imagination and creativity have soared with Nei kung. I’m left-handed and right-brained to begin with, to a fault, actually, and it would seem that Nei kung brings out our natural attributes. My dream states continue to harvest older and older memories, as if my subconscious were being excavated and reexamined on a daily basis. I was navigating an airborne submarine through a mountain range that was constructed out of a highly polished piece of petrified wood that was part of my childhood rock collection. I hadn’t thought about that in 40 years but I recognized it immediately. My guitar playing has progressed nicely and my ability to resolve chord progressions in my head is getting as good as my fellow music students whom I used to envy and admire. My wife and I are becoming synchronized in thought and action that defies the limits of probability.  And, my meditations and pre-sleep imagery are downright Escher-esque; I close my eyes and the cascade of images rivals those I used to experience 30 years ago under the influence of hallucinogens. (I’m salivating just thinking about psilocybin and what it would be like now!!! :lol: )  

After I started Nei kung, I finished my master’s thesis, got married, gave up the reefer and am six weeks away from having my first child.  My family and I are steadily preparing the way to move into a rural eco-village in three years. None of this could have been possible if Nei kung hadn’t dissolved my self-destructive scripts and replaced them self-confidence and self worth and what Clyman refers to as “deservingness.” It is the healthiest thing I have ever done, bar none.


PS – I picked the screen name “Blasto” when I joined TTB because I was using the same name to sign up for a bunch of hardcore fitness and conditioning newsletters. It never felt right and may have contributed to my reputation for being belligerent. For what it’s worth, I “feel” less belligerent, and will hopefully manifest this feeling in this forum.

#391203 Some Thoughts

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#343482 Some Beginner Cultivation Tips

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#483613 What High Level Energetic Practices Do You Recommend?

Posted by Ya Mu on 06 October 2013 - 05:21 AM

I would like people to recommend particular practices that they have found beneficial. I realise that this can span a fairly wide area of experience, and so I hope others can respect that.


I think it would be particularly useful for people to discuss their own experiences, rather than to attack or disparage what others have, or are, doing....


Thank you.

A great idea.


I practice Stillness-Movement & Gift of the Tao High Level Neigong.


What makes a practice "High Level"? 

I know you left the topic wide open to include all practices so I am speaking strictly from the perspective of neigong and mostly from the perspective of the practice of Stillness-Movement & Gift of the Tao High-Level Neigong.


It seems many think "High Level" means that someone is good at what they are doing. I can see that...if a person reaches a peak of development in any system then they have reached a high level within that system.


But in neigong, and specifically in Stillness-Movement, High - Level means the level of Light.

In terms of development one can look at the model (which I don't) of Qi-Jing-Shen-Light.


This can be simplified (oh boy, groan) by saying a person begins at the Qi level, works with Jing, and eventually, through much time&effort, reaches harmony with Shen. THEN they learn how to harmonize (dance in wu wei) and manipulate (our version of Wai Qi Liao Fa) LIGHT, the raw creative fabric of the universe that is the breath of Tao / God / Spirit / whatever word you call it doesn't even begin to describe.


This harmony with LIGHT includes a path of service with humanity & all of the life on Earth, as well as in other worlds & dimensions. A part of our practice, in Stillness-Movement, is dreamtime work. What one finds is that "dreamtime" is not only when we are asleep.


I call that "dancing in wu wei in harmony with Light" the process of following & acting from "Listening".

A quick example of this. Last night, about 11, all of sudden I knew I needed to go check on some puppies. I have learned to never ignore this prompting. I got out there and one pup had gotten out and into some netting and was all tangled with no possible way out. He was very frustrated and scared but I projected calmness to him and he immediately and patiently waited for me to untangle him. Yes, a very simple act. But sometimes these simple acts are quite profound.


Drew posted something to the effect that the healing at this level is not a "technique". I think I would agree with that. It is it's own thing.


Personally, in terms of what one can feel, of course we can feel the simple qi circulating in our bodies. Of course we can, with a simple setting of intent, feel it go anywhere in our bodies. But this is the simple beginning stages. The system is geared at raising the energy body vibrational frequency to the level of Light. One CAN feel this process as it happens. One CAN feel each energy center as it opens, expands, and becomes balanced. One CAN feel, when it happens, the connection with HEAVEN and the connection with EARTH. One CAN feel the promptings of the Listening process in a distinct manner. One CAN learn to stay in this awareness 24/7.

In Stillness-Movement, we have sitting, standing, walking, sleeping, dreaming, energy pattern movements with shamanic shifting (Gift of the Tao), and running (which itself has 4 publicly talked about techniques of it's own which include Stamina, Lightness, Qi pushing, and Swiftness).


So how does all this not conflict(?) with what I have posted before on the concepts of Chinese medicine (one of the authors of "Between Heaven & Earth", Efrem Korngold, speaks of these exact same concepts):

1) Low Level - Physical

2) Mid-Level - Mental

3) High Level - Only one goal in mind: Help others find & fulfill their destiny (destiny here is defined as that which the other person has already chosen)


It doesn't conflict because helping one to harmonize with their level of their own inner true self IS in harmony with Tao, in harmony with "God's will", in harmony with the flow of energy between Heaven & Earth. In harmony with "Spirit's breath".


Master Wang Juemin was mentioned and a book quote about him was referenced.

Let me tell you a bit about him as a person.


I have never in my life met anyone like him. Not even close. His compassion for others, his gentleness backed up by his raw power, his ability to always remain calm, the glow of his energy body - all this was far beyond what I could possibly describe. When I first met him I could feel him even before I got off the train. I had felt a buzzing for quite some time even before the train stopped. And when I first shook his hand I was briefly thrown out of my body when he said "So good to see you again, my friend".


Master Wang endured hardships that most would not have been able to withstand. Shot up in a firefight with Japanese soldiers and in coma with gangrene (healed with medical qigong). Jailed for over 17 years. Tortured beyond what any have described - which he CALMLY told me about. He CALMLY told me of his wife and son being taken to far away labor camps. He only said "All of China was insane then".


Master Wang was recognized by his peers as one of the more accomplished qigong masters in China and was recognized as a Chinese National Treasure. 


One of his friends was a famous acupuncturist. He told me stories of Master Wang's feats which I never heard of from his own lips. He gave me a picture he took of Master Wang naked climbing out of a lake - It was dated as January something. The climate there was way below freezing. He also told me of a Buddhist monk who came from a long way off to challenge Master Wang to a sitting duration. Master Wang refused, but this rogue monk stayed for several weeks, stirring up trouble in the town until it became a matter of "town pride" - not his own. In order to preserve calmness for the town, he did do the challenge, and sat for another day after the monk got up. At which point the monk left and no longer stirred up trouble.


Master Wang studied with and received transmissions from 5 of the top qigong/neigong masters of his time. He ran a 100 bed medical qigong hospital with an amazing result rate - the efficacy of his medical qigong was and is beyond amazing. I used these methods in-clinic with tremendous success. Now my students are having these same types of success. 


The experience of raising the vibrational frequency of the energy body, of learning how to project calmness to others, of learning how to dance in the wu wei, of learning how to "Listen", of learning how to manipulate Light in harmony with Tao. This is my experience and understanding of what High Level neigong means.

#529271 What Taoists really do

Posted by BaguaKicksAss on 06 March 2014 - 02:32 PM



Worth every minute of the 15 minutes practice :D

#528491 A Basic Primer For the Healing Arts From China

Posted by Ya Mu on 03 March 2014 - 10:27 AM

Reading several threads it became apparent that many posters are not familiar with the therapeutics/healing arts from China. Rather than reply in those threads and interrupt the topic, I created this thread and hope this helps to increase the knowledge. 


source of article: http://qigongamerica.blogspot.com/


I would encourage other practitioners to add to this thread if they wish.


A Basic Primer on Chinese Medical Therapeutics
"It appears there are many who have never been exposed to the Chinese Healing Arts. This article was written to give these folks a basic overview of forms of therapeutics utilized in the Chinese Healing Arts. I am attempting to keep this simple with basic instead of complex wording.
Although there are many approaches to therapeutics inside both Traditional & Classic Chinese Medicine, I think it safe to say the concept of Qi is an underlying aspect of most of these forms. In this topic, we can define Qi as the life flow of energetics.
A bit of history:
What is now called Traditional Chinese Medicine differs greatly from what many call Classical Chinese Medicine. Unfortunately, the communists, in efforts to "standardize", have "dumbed down" what is now taught in the TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) schools, dictating a specific wording and methodology. Beyond this, we have the CCM (Classical Chinese Medicine) which include many almost-lost forms and advanced concepts. For example, the current style of acupuncture taught in TCM differs greatly from advanced needling concepts taught in CCM, Another example is advanced therapeutics forms like "Chinese Taoist Medicine" which would fall under CCM and be virtually unknown in TCM.
Although this article is not meant to be comprehensive, there are several categories which we could break down into a few basic categories:
1) Acupuncture
Actually, there is no real word for "acupuncture" as the word is an invented westernized term. But we are referring to needling. Most people in the west have heard of and many have utilized this therapeutic form. But we should realize that the practitioners of TCM are generally practicing a completely different approach than those who practice CCM.
 Also we should include moxa therapy here, which is performed by burning an herbal/base which adds intense heat to  "acupuncture points"  which are energy vortices that tap into the energy distribution system of the body. The main concept of acupuncture is to balance this energy distribution system.
An internet search will list many studies done on acupuncture.
2) Chinese Herbal Medicine
There are over 5,000 items in the Chinese pharmacopoeia. Although often referred to as "Chinese Herbal Medicine" These consist of herbs, minerals, and animal by-products or parts. Needless to say this can get very complicated and it is not suggested for people to experiment with this therapeutic form as the combinations utilized are quite powerful and if not monitored by a knowledgeable practitioner could potentially do more harm than good.
An internet search will list much information on Chinese Herbal Medicine.
3) Tui Na & Acupressure
Tui Na is the advanced massage form of TCM & CCM. Many hospitals in China have Tui Na departments. It is utilized therapeutically to treat a wide variety of conditions and is extremely effective. It is not as widely known in the west as acupuncture but in China it is ranked right up there at the top of therapeutic forms.
Also the term "Anmo" is utilized to refer to Chinese Massage techniques.
Acupressure is generally referring to finger pressure (mostly thumb) to the acupoints and has the same goal as acupuncture.
4) Medical Qigong
The term "medical qigong" covers the many energetic forms of therapeutics utilized in the Qigong Hospitals of China. Also, many of the hospitals have a Medical Qigong department. It is a highly-specialized and extremely effective therapeutic form with an almost unprecedented therapeutic efficacy. Its use has been proven through several decades of Chinese hospitals and clinics as well as through its vast history of development. It refers to what is called Wai Qi Liao Fa which means "healing with external energy". Most of the forms utilize off-body energy projection although some incorporate on-body techniques. 
There are also advanced and specialized forms of Medical Qigong. An example of one which has been introduced to the West is Chinese Taoist Medicine, which is a neuro-energetic bodywork form based on medical qigong application of/to the complete neurological system of the body. Forms like this are not as well known as the general medical qigong, but even medical qigong itself is not as widely known in the west as forms like acupuncture.
I would be remiss if I didn't mention the self-practice of energetics called Qigong. Although not an applied therapeutic form, this  self-practice has proven itself in benefits to millions of people across the world. 
Since medical qigong is not as widely known I will list some research suggestions:
http://qigonginstitu...ml/database.php This is a compilation of research abstracts, a project of Dr Ken Sancier, and includes abstracts from studies performed all over the world which includes the many studies done in China. Dr Sancier was well known for his research at Stanford Research Institute.
http://qigonginstitu...sis.php#Medical Research This page has many good articles on qigong and energy medicine.
There are several schools of medical/clinical qigong in the USA. In China, after the fallout of falun gong challenging the communist government, the governmental policies have resulted in the closing of many of the dedicated qigong hospitals and suppression of information concerning medical qigong. What was once mainstream in the 80's and 90's and demonstrating tremendous growth is now a shadow of itself in China.
To sum this posting, I would suggest to each person reading that they open their minds to the concept of "world medicine" and not dismiss these amazing therapeutic forms from China. Unfortunately many people are still under the mistaken impression that allopathic western medicine is the only "proven" form of medicine. This simply is not so. Although scientific investigation and study is valuable, history of use has over and over again proven to be our ally in investigating the validity of medicinal therapeutics. Just look at the many western allopathic compounds that were proven by scientific study to be safe and have efficacy which were later proven, through history of use, to be harmful with no efficacy. These Chinese medicine forms have a vast history of use in proving their safety and efficacy and are now being investigated through the western scientific model."




#48456 Haiku Chain

Posted by Stigweard on 11 January 2008 - 04:34 AM

Use the last line of the preceding haiku as the first line of yours.

The structure is three lines:

5 syllables
7 syllables
5 syllables

Here goes...

I toss the pebble
Ripples distort the surface
Flowing back to self


#538491 Relying On No-one But Yourself

Posted by adept on 07 April 2014 - 10:47 AM

Just some thoughts I thought I'd share from personal experience.


To really study and practice the Way, we must become self-reliant, allowing our own minds and hearts to guide us.

Break free from the shackles of organized religion, cults and spiritual groups. Become a solitary cultivator and tell very few people of your practices. 

Be yourself, not how other's want you to be.

Cut back on 'spiritual' books. Too much, and clouding of the mind and confusion arise. If you must read spiritual literature, limit yourself.

Get out in nature, as often as possible, preferably alone and use every one of your senses to experience the wonders of life.

Meditation, contemplation, and observing the workings of the world and universe are all that's really needed.

We must become both teacher and student.



Zhuangzi Chapter 2:


'If you allow your mind to guide you,

who then can be seen as being without a teacher ?'

#479023 Qigong masters sharing their views of Meridians

Posted by bamboo on 19 September 2013 - 12:17 AM

Qigong masters sharing their views of Meridians


This article was published in the monthly magazine "Qigong and Sport" in Xi'An, Shagxi province of China in the 1990s. In this article some Qigong masters who belong to different schools share their visions of the energy channels' system. Strikingly, their descriptions are very similar, which provides another evidence of some objective reality beyond our limited perception.

It is obvious that in our normal state of awareness it is impossible to perceive the energetic form of Qi directly. A University-trained Chinese medicine doctor can only assess the flow of Qi by analyzing the signs and symptoms - such as looking at the appearance of the patient, hearing the voice, palpating the pulse or observing the tongue. However, direct perception of Qi can be achieved by prolonged Qigong practice, involving meditation and careful self-observation. The ability to perceive Qi directly is termed as "internal vision" in Qigong. The accounts below come from advanced Qigong masters who mastered their internal vision and use it to help their student and patients.

General notes about the system of energy channels and circulation of Qi

An article by Zheng Jingyue, Zhang Jilian

"Internal tunnels" can only be seen with "internal vision". This is still true in the modern days. Using the methods of "penetration", "visual dissection" and "micro-vision" by means of the Eye of Wisdom [tian mu or "heavenly eye" between the eyebrows] we could see that the tunnels are actually far from being "tubes". The thinner ones are more like silver silk threads; the wider - resemble the stripes of light. Interweaving, they form a cobweb engulfing all our tissues.

In the cross-cut, the tunnels are circular-shaped or oval-shaped, however sometimes they are of irregular shapes, and the substance flowing through them is similar to the liquid crystals of the LCD displays.

In ordinary people this substance possesses relatively dense texture with scarce amount of more "dispersed" areas. It flows slowly and steadily. In those who practice Qigong, the texture is more light and clear and it flows faster, with ease. In the epicenters of disease the substance has highly dense and heavy texture, it is dark-colored and moves extremely slow, sometimes even showing signs of complete stagnation.

Once we were doing a group session of Qigong therapy with external Qi emission. During the session many patients began to perform some spontaneous body movements. One lady ceased her movements abruptly and "petrified" in a rather extraordinary posture. In order to find out what was the cause of this, we had to use "penetrative vision". It was found that although the wider channels were about 4-5mm in diameter and should not have been causing obstruction of the flow, the substance in the epicenter of her disease became almost solid. That was the reason why the lady was fixed in this posture. After two days of continued practice her reaction on the external Qi emission became normal. The "penetrative vision" showed that due to stimulating action of external Qi the flow of the substance through the affected area was restored.

The color of the substance contained in the energy channels may vary too. Depending on the level of a person's Qigong practice, it may be colored from white and red - up to the purple/violet.

Also, depending on the level of one's Qigong practice and the degree of "opening" of the Eye of Wisdom, every person may perceive the picture of the energy channels differently. That is why we cite not only our visions here, but also the visions of our colleagues.

Master Zhang Xiaoyang

Zhang Xiaoyang: "Energy channels exist in a fluid state and to the person who can use internal vision, they present themselves as light. This light is the Qi itself. I observed energy channels as a fluid flowing into pre-defined routes in the tissues of skin, muscles, internal organs and fascia. Without any external influence the fluid moves slowly and the movement is almost unnoticeable. As its movement follows the complete cycle that correlates with the cycles of Heaven and Earth, movement of the Moon and Sun, at any moment of time which we would take it looks steady, immobile. However this is not true.

If we needle any acupuncture point, within a short period of time Qi activates and its flow in the given area of the energy channel speeds up. The Qi in turn moves the fluid which starts moving through the passages of the energy channels. Once the fluid reaches the following acupuncture point, its movement stops for a short moment and during this time the point lights up like a little star. After that, the fluid carries on with its flow [through the channel].

To sum up my observations;
1) energy channels in the human body are located at different levels and depths.
2) the width of the energy channels varies depending on the person
3) the width of the channels also fluctuates depending on time
4) the width varies in different areas of the channel.

In particular, applying various needling techniques, the width and the speed of the Qi flow in the channel will change. Speed of the Qi usually increases with intense stimulation. In the case of broadening of the channel, external stimulation of the "biologically active" point leads to the change of the color of the point's radiance.

Points located on a single closed path, glow similarly to the bigger and smaller stars of various luminosity. "Larger" points such as Bai Hui, Jing Ming, Da Zhui and Zu San Li would correspond to the stars of the 1st grade of luminosity whereas smaller points - to the stars of the 2nd and 3rd grades. Every point accumulates certain amount of electric energy and influences the functioning of the energy channel, playing a role of a "pump", stimulating the flow of Qi-liquid through the muscle tissues.

Regarding the "central-median channel" [known as Sushumna in Indian Yoga - O.A.], there are no references to it in the ancient [Chinese] scriptures teaching of energy channels. However, during my Qigong practice and experiments with acupuncture, by means of internal vision I could see the channel leading from Bai Hui point down to Hui Yin point, forming straight line through the trunk.

At the beginner's stage of Qigong practice this channel is very thin and hardly seen at all. However with some improvement in practice it becomes wider and looks like a transparent column of red light. In ordinary people, the "central-median channel" exists as a dashed line coming through the internal organs."

Master Lu Xuezhi

Lu Xuezhi: "Energy channels represent another vital system of a human being. In healthy people they are transparent, free [of blockages] and full of light. In those who are exhausted and ill, the energy channels look drained, dried, fainted, and "knotted", and in the origins of diseases "plugs" can be seen.

The channels of those who practice Qigong are free, radiate bright light and filled with Qi. Qigong helps to utilize full potential of this another "vital system". Energy channels also serve as an important device providing the exchage of "informational energy" between the man and the nature. Subtle matter of nature, entering the "man's field" through the endings of energy channels in the skin, penetrates deeper into the channels and via this network distributes itself into internal organs and other parts of the body.

Energy channels also play role in breaking down and expelling harmful substances out of the body, and in the storage of the vital energy. They contribute towards keeping the organism healthy. Energy channels are able to convert the "subtle matter" of nature and "seminal Qi" accumulated in the internal organs into radiant crystallized substance and accumulate it within themselves. This accumulated energy in case of emergency or in need can be quickly discharged to replenish the lack of Zheng Qi ["upright" or anthipathogenic Qi] in the organs that underwent some pathological changes, or used to ward-off the external infection.

With the build-up of reserves of this "subtle matter" the person gradually becomes less dependent on food received through the digestive system. He/she will nonetheless have a continuous highly energetic supply that would fill all the organs and bodily structures with the "seminal Qi". As a result of these processes, the state of "refraining from food" spontaneously arises in the person - he/she stays healthy and full of energy while not taking the "gross" food.

Even if a person does not practice Qigong, his or her channel's Qi circulates anyway, although without any conscious control it just follows its natural way. If you try to use your will-power to change the natural flow, it will influence mainly the Yuan Qi (original Qi) which flows outside the channels. This intrusion without taking into account other relations in the energy body, may lead to an imbalance of the overall "Qi mechanics" and cause significant harm.

Opening of the Lesser Heavenly Circuit

In the course of diligent and regular Qigong practice, firstly Post-Heaven Qi [acquired after one's birth] and then Pre-Heaven Qi [given before the birth] begins to circulate through the energy channels. Breaking though the barriers of Wei-Lu, Jia-Ji and Yu-Zhen, it forms the ring of circulation along the Lesser Heavenly Circuit [also known as Microcosmic Orbit represented by Ren and Du Mai channels along the midline of the body - O.A.]. Those who have enough internal energy can "break through all barriers with a single arrow".

With the opening of the Lesser Heavenly Circuit, according to the principle "the water of the prominent rivers overflows into tributaries" 12 primary and 8 extraordinary vessels begin functioning. Following that, the rest of the "channel-sons" and "collateral-grandsons" regain their permeability so the "Greater Orbit" of the "Lesser Heavenly Circuit" is formed.

Internal Qi in the organism of a practitioner begins to ascend and descend freely, enter and leave, uninterruptedly circulate. This provides for spontaneous "Qigong training" 24 hours a day. There is a transition happening from the situation when the person trains "post-heaven Qi" to the situation when "pre-heaven Qi trains the person". Everything ill and harmful leaves the body. Transformation happens on the cellular, molecular and nuclear levels. The exchange of internal energy from largely chemical becomes atomic. The work of the vital system becomes more orderly, and a full re-birth of the body follows. The very foundation of life is strengthened.

Those who do not practice Qigong or only train the "post-heaven Qi" doing Qigong forms and sequences, cannot reach to the arrival of the "heavenly original Qi" and fullness of the internal Qi. In this case, there is not enough Qi to fill up the minor energy channels, which leads to stagnation. As a result, stimulation of blood capillaries weakens and 70-80% of them simply do not work. This in turn is reflected in the body metabolism which leads to inevitable [negative] manifestations in general well-being.

Not only blood capillaries are associated with the minor energy channels. In fact every pore on our skin is connected to them. If the True Qi (Zheng Qi) fills the channels, the "body breathing" starts to form and the person gains the ability to absorb "subtle matter" from the "human field" directly through the pores, in addition to the ordinary way of breathing through the lungs. The arrival of "body breathing" opens avenues to some deeper levels of achievement such as "restoration of the intra-uterine breathing", "leaving the senility and coming back to the childhood" [i.e. reversal of the natural processes of aging - S.S.].

The progression of Qigong practice

Regarding the Taoist concept of "internal circulation of civil and martial Qi" and "black and white channels" forming a curved line above the Du Mai (Governing vessel), the author and some of his students could observe them at a certain stage of their practice, after the appearance of the "central-median channel".

In the beginning of work with the "central-median channel", there is a sensation of a soft "tissue" of Qi, moving along the vertical line of the body. Then, the luminous tube is formed, stretching between Hui Yin point up to the nostrils, which later joins Fan Xue point in Bai Hui area [top of the head - O.A.]. Between the vertex and the perineum a vertical column is formed resembling a luminescent "daylight" lamp about 5mm in diameter. When the "wonder pearl" (Dan) starts moving through the channel, it changes its light from red to white. Following that, two channels appear by themselves respectively on the left and on the right. At first they are felt more like movement of the stream of Qi, and then start to emit the light by themselves.

With the absence of the "central-median channel" the Qi collected from the Cosmos comes through biologically active points and pores of the skin, and circulates through the surface of the skin which leads to the increase of its temperature.

After opening of the "central-median channel" and Fan Xue point, the Cosmic energy like a waterfall rushes into this channel, which instantaneously sparks up with golden light. When this light fills up the whole body, a person starts to feel a powerful warmth inside and outside. Sometimes this "luminous energy" penetrates the body and goes straight into the ground, connecting the Man with Heaven and Earth. Man, Heaven and Earth become an indivisible One.

Sometimes the "wonder pearl" ["dan"] appears, which descends down into the area of the perineum, drifts back into the "white channel" and comes up above the Du Mai vessel. Then it comes into the head and descends down the left channel. Once it reaches the perineum again, the "pearl" enters the "Black channel" and following above the Du Mai vessel, comes to the head again to descend down the right channel.

With the advance of the training level, the meridians, collaterals, the central-median channel and black and white channels constantly widen up and eventually merge with each other. The "luminous energy" fills up the whole body, the boundaries of the channels dissolve.

It is said that "Every inch of the body becomes a biologically active point, and the whole body becomes a Dan Tian". Thus the historic potential of the energy channel system is actualized. In the course of Qigong training it reaches its peak of development."


Original translation from Mandarin Chinese to Russian is done by S. Sergeyev, 1997. Russian translation can be found here.
Cross-translation from Russian to English is performed by Oleg Amiton, 2008


#428596 A plea to all tao bum members.

Posted by chenplayer on 04 May 2013 - 10:40 PM

Hi everyone I would like to start off by saying that this post is not meant to call anyone out or put anyone on the spot. This is just something I have seen in the past years being a lurker and then member of this wonderful website.

Ok, here I go. This is a plea to all the brother and sisters of the tao bums, we need to tone down the internal bickering. I know this is a forum and bickering and the occasional troll will pop up, but we have lost so much because we let it spread like a California wild fire. We had teachers like micheal lomax chime in with valuable information, or even some old members chiming in here it there. But, like in mister lomax's case, people complain that he charges for his teachings, or he dosen't look like a nei gong teacher and being called a fraud. People get banned, feelings get hurt, and we lose a valuable resource and poster.

More recently like the mo pai threads. We have people from the school chime in and give some clarification which turns into "is this story true about so and so?" Or "can you please tell us why westerners are no longer accepted?" Then bickering sets in, name calling and mud slinging and off goes more valuable information. Then we all complain why frauds or people with no experience come here and post. We invite them. We push all valuable persons away, because even if they do answer some one will log in say well that not what I heard and I was there for that and that did not happen. Then it turns out the person being asked questions is now defending himself. I mean why bother. They owe us nothing. We are seeking and when we are given something we either ask for more or just crap on the person who gave it to us.

Even potential teachers or people of knowledge who want to contribute can click on one link see WW3 happening and quickly change his mind. We need to work together to find the answers and if people are wrong correct them in a positive way. If they don't want correction ignore. We are shooting ourselves in the foot and slowly this place will turn into a troll heaven with little or no knowledge ever being shared. .

I love this place and I love you guys and girls, that why I want us just to help each other along cause we are all looking for the same thing.

Don't know if this will help or just create another troll thread. Hopefully it helps a little and we start treating each other like the practices we all love tell us to treat each other. With love and respect.

Peace and blessings.

#451601 Stillness-Movement Neigong Review - June 2013

Posted by yulongbr on 11 July 2013 - 08:46 AM

Hi !


I read this forum for many years, but this is the first time I write.


I’m doing it now because recently I have decided to participate in a workshop and the reviews I read here were fundamental to take that decision. So, it’s time to contribute.


My first contact with Michael Lomax’s teaching was when I bought his DVD, Gift of Tao I (GOT I) a couple of years ago. At that time I was looking for some standing moving qigong to complement my quiet sitting. The first time I watched the DVD, I did not like it. The form looked very loose to me and I put it aside. My mistake! :unsure:



More than a year later, after I read the positive reviews on this forum, I gave it a shot and practiced it. The first time I practiced I felt a huge difference in the “air” around me. I was intrigued by the effects and I ordered his e-book from amazon. The first part of his book deals with his experience in shamanic practice and the second talks more about Daoist practice.


I felt connected with the main points about the Daoist practice and it was very close to what I’ve learned about the traditional method of cultivation in China.


1 – Stillness (exception for the spontaneous movement)

2 – Emptiness of the mind (letting go of the mind)

3 – Gentle gaze at the Dan Tian

4 – The opening of the channels should be a natural process.

5 – No real results will come without putting in much time & effort.


Even it is written in the book that this method requires an initial transmission, I started to feel very different while I was reading the book (a faraway metallic sound in my ears during the day, real focus on practice etc). Right away I started practice it, since it was not too different from my silent practice, the only exception was the hand position and no special breathing.


Making a long story short, I was looking forward for his next workshop, but I was unable to attend last year in Finland or the distance one early this year.  I attended his last workshop in US, last June.


Here goes the Workshop Review:


The workshop was held in Springfield, Missouri, on June 22, 23 and 24 (Clinical day optional), at one of the Holiday Inn Hotel.


I arrived a couple of days earlier in the city and Michael was very thoughtful and sent me some indication for restaurants that I might like (I mentioned to him before that I like Asian-spice food) and requested his student to make contact with me. I had the opportunity to interact with 3 of them before the workshop, ask questions, hang out, dinner etc. They are very nice people, as all of the others students I interacted during the workshop.


Sometimes you go to a workshop and you see the students fighting between them, gossip about each other etc. I interacted with almost everyone and I felt like I was with family and friends. I mention it, because for me it says a lot about the teacher and also about the system.


The first day of the workshop started 9:00 am. I was the first one at the room and I can say the energy field inside it was very clear. It was very different from the rest of the hotel.


Michael and the rest of his students arrived and the workshop started in a very casual manner. He gave everyone a sandalwood soap, lectured a little about the effects of a few plants and how good they are to clean the energy. He made a lot of jokes and the vibe there was very good.


After that we started some warm-up with isometrics and a couple of the 8 pieces of brocade. One of his senior students was invited to demonstrate the GOT I, while all the others should follow.


Before the workshop I practiced GOT I from the DVD for about two months and it was great, but what I experienced there was fantastic. We were doing it much slower than the DVD, each movement was practiced for a long time while Michael and some of his senior student was correcting the rest. After a couple of movements you could feel the energy field changing even more, I was sweating a lot, all my pores seemed to be open.


After a little break to drink some water, we started to practice GOT II in the same manner. It is hard not to be amazed about those exercise. They are very simple, yet so powerful. The final sequence (Sequential Energy Center Activation, Balancing & Restoration) before the closing is the most powerful set that I’ve ever practiced. For me it is even better than GOT I and the rest of GOT II. Every time the energy descend, it gets stronger and stronger.


At the end of the morning session we did GOT III. I’ve never seen it before, so most of time I was trying to understand the movements, while Michael gave some hints about the energetic aspects. Even so, I felt the effects immediately.


Break time for lunch and then we did the stillness-movement practice for about one hour and forty minutes of sitting. Michael gave the group the transmission and this was the most intense part of the workshop for me. At the end I felt that was in some vast and soundless place. You see the hotel workshop room, but you do not feel you are there. Weird! :huh:


The first day was so intense to me that later that night during dinner, I had a hard time dealing with the energy inside of my body. After I eat, it started to calm down.


The next day before the workshop, I practiced the stillness-movement in my room. After a while my head naturally dropped a little and from nowhere the spontaneous movement started (I did not have any spontaneous movement during the transmission). I consciously stopped it, I was a little scared but it started again. Sometimes clockwise, sometimes counterclockwise, just right and left etc. I finished my practice thinking “WOW!!! What happened?”. :)


The second day we started with GOT I, II and III and it was also very energizer. Before we went outside to do practice with the tree, Michael requested their senior students to talk a little about their experience with the system and the healing aspects. Without any apparent reason, I felt a strong urge to cry like a baby. Their testimonies were beautiful, but the urge was not related with what they were talking, but with something that I do not know. I hold it until the class was dismissed and then I went to restroom to cry. Michael and one of his senior students were there and they approached me very gently. Michael put his hand on my chest, talked with me and I felt a great relieve after that.


After lunch we had more GOT III, demonstration about Daoist Medicine and one more sitting session with transmission. It was Rock n Roll all over again.


The third day we learned and practiced Medical Qigong on each other. I have a pain in one of my fingers from a stick fight, when I used to practice Kali-Silat. After the treatment it was much better, about 70%. One of the students felt a great relieve on hers hamstrings and you could see in her face how impressed she was. At the end we learned Daoist Medicine and was time to say goodbye. I’ve never thought about do healing, but the material was a great eye opener.


It was a terrific workshop and I look forward to join the next one. I have been in China a couple of times practicing sitting meditation and I’ve never been able to experience such high energy in only two days.


Michael is not only a powerful and accessible teacher, but a very cool guy.The energy he brings is really powerful. The feeling I have after practicing it, is quite different, is like being in a vast space, empty and soundless.




#402630 Q's...ONLY Teachers may Answer.

Posted by Ya Mu on 10 February 2013 - 09:16 AM

Master Wang's 3 things necessary in order to advance in qigong which I have found to be absolutely true:

1) Calmness

2) Be a good & moral person

3) Daily practice


Other lists could include:

1) Balance in your life. If you like to garden do that. If you like to play music, do that, etc. Balance is needed.

2) Laugh and enjoy yourself. We only spend, in the overall scheme of things, scant nano-seconds (no, actually less than that), here on Earth in a life. Get the most out of it.

3) Live each moment in appreciation of every thing that you are doing at that moment and be in the moment. In other words, when you eat an orange EAT The ORANGE instead of eating it while you are engaged in anything else. Apply this to EVERYTHING.

#283708 Self Moderation

Posted by mjjbecker on 17 August 2011 - 12:58 AM

We would not require moderators if the participants of TTB's moderated their own behaviour and followed the rules as set out by Sean. Given this, why are we having various discussions about the moderators and their actions? Surely we are just ignoring our own behaviour when we should be focusing on that more than anything else.

If the moderators are needed at all, and if the moderators feel compelled to act in order to censure members, then it is for us-the members-here to question our own behaviour and motives first.

Life is not 'fair'. Moderators are not perfect. Nor are forum members. Look first to your own behaviour before having a go at the moderators. There will be many people here, myself included, that could have taken a lot more care over what we have posted at times. We should spend our time dealing with our own behaviour first.

If you want to make the moderators redundant, then do so by not behaving in a manner that requires the moderators to act.

#536428 Implementation of new posting restrictions and guidelines

Posted by BaguaKicksAss on 31 March 2014 - 11:44 PM

We are changing a few things around on TTBs, so that conversations will run more smoothly.


1. We are bringing the edit timer back.  You will not be able to edit your post after you post it.  Just like in real life in person conversation.


2. From now on all threads must stay on topic; no wavering off topic at all whatsoever, or the thread will be split accordingly.  5 times of doing this by the same person, and you will be suspended.


3. All previously banned members will be allowed back for balance, in accordance with the Dao, since these new more strict rules are being brought about. 


4. All members from Brisbane, Australia will need to submit photo ID to post about Mo Pai on the forums.


5. We will be deleting the Buddhist sections, as they are not explicitly Taoist.


6. We will be partnering up with Taouncut and Mopai debate forums for our new advertising campaign. 


7. Happy April Fools day from Tech :D

#512390 What has been your most humbling experience?

Posted by GreytoWhite on 06 January 2014 - 04:57 PM

A minor heart attack and multiple small strokes within a year's time. I lost five foreign languages, the left side of my body, some days the right. I lost the ability to use my hands. I lost the ability to make it to the bathroom in time. I lost the ability to get it up. I lost the ability to walk. I lost the ability to stand for more than 2 minutes at a time. I lost the ability to drink like a fish. There are still scars which I work on daily, all beneath the skin and in my mind.


It taught me to cherish my physical ability, not to hold such stock in my own acquired knowledge, to appreciate those around me for people suffering, it enabled me to finally feel compassion and empathy. Were it not for such a trying experience I would have continued on as the pedantic, manipulative asshole that I was, holding myself above everyone all the while anxious that I was unworthy.

#348405 Mopai nei kung, there has to be an equivalent!

Posted by Practitioner on 08 July 2012 - 12:17 AM

Are there equivalents to Mo Pai? Oh believe me there are equivalents. All of these powerful masters are in hiding in plain sight, and for good reason. I've been privileged enough to train under one, and from his personal words, he will never be eager to show off what he has.

Is this master interested in showing you in any of the stuff he can do? No. Is it likely that he would teach you this stuff? No. This man would rather hide from the media and from such amounts of attention because he's learned in the past that once you expose yourself all kinds of nutso's come out from the waterworks.

The reason why masters with such large amounts of powerful qi are not keen to show forth what they're capable of is because once it gets out, it attracts such a large amount of crazy ass people - power hungry crazy ass nutjobs who think that they're going to be the next sith lord, world messiah or demigod martial artist.

You can see why Mo Pai attracts such a large number of people who are hungry for nothing but power like the OP. Such a large number people who think of the money fame and the power. People who want to be more "special" than all the rest of us. The funny thing is that none of these systems work that way. It is karma which is the deciding factor. Most people do not possess the innate amount of talent to make progress. Check Magus of Java - you will see that John's old master saw his karma - that he had the "gift". Not even if the full system was laid bare before you would you be guaranteed of any progress. People like John are one in a million. If you look at Jim's group of mo pai aspirants which numbers in the hundreds, you'd be hard pressed to find a handful who are past level 1. Many have been practicing a number of years and just given up. What does this tell you?

Most higher level masters just keep silent and wait and see who has the karma good enough to bump into them, and most of all they do not show what they are haphazardly. They don't want the drama and a thousand master-of-the-universe wannabes knocking on their doors all looking to exploit this kind of stuff one way or the other. John's old master was a recluse who verily did not show off, or reveal himself for what he was. What does this tell you? They dont need the attention, and all the drama that comes from wannabe sith lords or people who want to put the shit on 50 dvd's and charge you 99.95 for each one.

As Mo Pai is now closed to outsiders, one would believe that John has learned his lesson by now.

#21570 Upcoming Events

Posted by rex on 09 November 2006 - 06:59 AM

Howzabout a pinned topic in the Taoist Discussion Forum where people can let everyone know of upcomimg events, conferences, workshops, courses, seminars, festivals, lectures, visting teachers etc. ?

#494342 Admin's Decision re: Current Ruckus (Yin~Yang, Mo Pai, etc)

Posted by Trunk on 09 November 2013 - 10:47 AM

Moderation has to be equal for all members, all levels, regardless of labels in or out of TTBs.  This had to be all public, out in the open, clear.  Sometimes things can be properly handled privately.  This had become a large open community event: it had to be handled publicly.


Moderation action towards a moderator or steward does not imply that they are ejected from the team (though suspension does necessarily mean a vacation from staff duties).  Same for me:  If I lose my cool and start personally attacking people, I'd tag viator or sean to take over for me for some period of time ... and it wouldn't mean that I couldn't come back and resume my role after a vacation.  We're all people.